SPEAKER_00 0:00

This is Laps per Minute, where we serve up hot takes on comedy legends and rising stars. Every episode features a different guest, deigning to be armchair critics with us, Brian and Nick. Sit back, strap in, as we butcher callbacks to our comedy heroes. Nick, how you doing?

SPEAKER_07 0:20

I'm doing great. I've got my friend Gina here.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Excellent. You wanna you wanna tell us a little bit about Gina?

SPEAKER_07 0:26

Yeah. Hi Gina. Hello. Gina is one of the first friends I ever made online whom I later actually met in person. Never did the online dating thing, so I don't have that experience. But I have made friends online. And and they are real. Gina and I've managed to celebrate all kinds of events together. She's I've been a surprise. She and her husband have been a surprise guest at my birthday, and before that I was a guest at their wedding. And Dory and I were both. And it's just been a lot of fun hanging out with her and our friends. Um gaming and joking. Poop jokes and blue humor. And now we get to talk about it on record. This'll be great. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

Nothing.

SPEAKER_07 1:15

Yeah. Gina's got a background in uh teaching. She's an educator, and she teaches anyone between the ages of nine and ninety. It's uh it's too bad I'm an old dog, so I won't be learning any new tricks. But I bet she can teach you all a thing or two. Welcome, Gina.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Thank you guys for having me. This is exciting. I've never been a guest on a podcast before.

SPEAKER_07 1:40

Yeah, you'll you'll do great. Yeah. You want to tell us about our comedian today, the special, and why you picked this person?

SPEAKER_02 1:48

I would love to. So today we are talking about Taylor Tomlinson. And this is her special for Netflix that just came out in, I believe, February of 2026 called Prodigal Daughter. Um so I picked Taylor because I had seen some of her content on her Instagram page. It just, you know, found its way into my feed, and I related to a lot of it. I thought it was funny. Um, she pulls a lot on her religious upbringing for a lot of her content. And as someone who also has a, you know, had a religious upbringing and religious background, but um maybe not so much anymore. I definitely relate to her content a lot. Um, my husband and I actually got to see her in March of 2025. So yeah, she she came uh to where where we live. And so it was part of her Save Me tour, which I only noticed maybe like two or three jokes that I was like, oh, I remember this from from you know when we saw her live. Yeah. Um a lot of this really did seem like it was, you know, brand new material for the special.

SPEAKER_07 2:58

Cool. Yeah, there was I think only two or three jokes where I stumbled on them through YouTube shorts and whatnot, you know, Netflix promoting her things, and of course it was the flagship comments and whatnot we'll we'll get into.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:14

Um I've I've always admired Taylor, like I've I've just enjoyed her career, often related with her as well, similar kind of upbringing. Um so I was really glad to go through this special and enjoyed it a lot. Um Brian, do you have any exposure to Taylor comments?

SPEAKER_00 3:32

I did, so a little bit. It's interesting, just as many comedians you see shorts either on YouTube or Instagram, you know. I'm not on TikTok, so I don't see those, but um, but basically same same kind of deal. You see the short highlights, and then you see enough of them together that you're like, wait, this is part of a bigger special. Maybe I should go watch the whole thing. Um, and and also I find sometimes that uh order, I mean, they they obviously write their sets in a certain way so that it goes in a certain order and things like that. And so it's weird when you watch the shorts because you're watching them completely completely out of order, you know, and it's like you you there's nothing there's certain things like that we go over in our podcast that you can't get. Like obviously you're never gonna get a call back in a YouTube short or something like that, because you got to see the whole piece of work at at once. Um, but uh but yeah, I had seen her before, and then I had actually watched part of this special um a little while ago, and for some reason I got distracted or I um had to do something else, so I got like cut off in the middle of it. And then when I went back to it, I was like, oh wait, I've seen part of this before. Because I well, part of it no, it's because my Netflix said, Do you want to resume? So um, so I had I had a little Netflix nose. Yeah, Netflix knows. Yeah, exactly. Um, and so so I said, No, please start from the beginning. Um, and so I saw the like first half of it basically for the second time, and then um the last half of it and and watched the entire thing. So yeah, really good. I really like her style. Um, she's like I feel like she's like understated as a comedian, like she's not over the top or anything like that. And I know we're gonna get into all this, but um but just like her style um quite a bit and and materials good and stuff like that. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

I think it's interesting that we all kind of had the exposure to her through YouTube shorts or for me on Instagram. Yeah. Um, I mean, I would say her her Instagram presence is what got me to buy a ticket to her show. Um, you know, I saw enough of her shorts, or not her shorts, but like enough of her her reels, and I was like, these are funny. And then when one of them ended with that, hey, here's my tour dates, and I saw my city on there, and I went, my husband and I have never been to a live comedy show together. Like, let's do it. And so, um, like, I mean, we have individually seen shows, but I mean, yeah, it was literally her presence on Instagram and putting herself out there in that those sort of bite-sized pieces.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Yeah. I think that's the new era of things because I've I know we went and saw a comedian. We there will be an episode that'll come out about Drew Lynch. And Drew Lynch was, I mean, he started out on America's Got Talent, but you know, a lot of it is just internet promotion, and then same exact thing. You see a thing at the end of it that says, Hey, here's my tour dates, you know. Do you want to um do you wanna come and you know see my show? And you see your city on there, and you're like, Oh, maybe I should go see a show, you know? So yeah. The way of the world now.

SPEAKER_07 6:28

So yeah, they're almost like interactive flyers. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Self-promotion. Uh well, we want to get into the to the sheet.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Yeah, you wanna you wanna lead us, Nick?

SPEAKER_07 6:40

Um, we'll see. We'll see if I want to. You better. We we got lots of criteria, lots of rubric. Um, I don't know, maybe maybe we just need to have the style or standard of having teachers as guests.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

I was gonna say, did you just say rubric because there's a teacher here? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 6:59

Most likely.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

It is very much a rubric.

SPEAKER_07 7:02

Yeah, so the first thing we check in for is the comedic style. Really just level setting. There's no judgment per se about there's no style that's better than any other. It's just observing like where they're at as a comedian, where they specialize. Um Brian, how about you tell us what you which boxes you checked for her tailor and why?

SPEAKER_00 7:25

So I had a couple. Um, storytelling. I think she she definitely tells stories. I think very much observational, um, talking about just as you mentioned before, Gina, just uh, you know, her church upbringing and talking about things like that. Um, and then I didn't see a lot of other things on there. Uh really. I think I'm trying to think of um there's one other thing that was like sort of ish on there, but it was I don't, you know, on honestly, like I think that's about it, or that's what I had checked off to be like the beginning. So, you know.

SPEAKER_07 8:01

Okay, well we'll hopefully we'll get more participation out of Brian, Gina. Let's uh let's hear from you.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

I mean, no, I I had checked off the same. She's very much pulling from her herself, which I know is kind of the next part of the rubric. Um, but yeah, I mean, she she's telling stories about herself, telling, you know, stories about dating or um, you know, growing up in church. Yeah, I like there were just a few moments of like physical comedy that did enhance a particular joke, but not enough that I would call, you know, I wouldn't, I didn't check the box.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:37

Yeah, you you're both talking about how there's just these little bits, like she does a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Uh I put the same for a lot of these, and it had me wishing that I could instead of a checkbox, put a percentage, yeah, or like a ratio, or like you know, not like a scoring in terms of quality, but a scoring in terms of volume. Um but uh also that's just how I am. I don't like yes or no, I like I like gradients, I like spectrums. Uh I did have storytelling, I did fully check one-liners, and I fully checked satirical. Like there was a lot of stuff in there where you know, when she was talking about religion or uh different relationships or things she learned about relationships, there was some sarc satire. Maybe I'm thinking more like sarcasm than satire.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Well, satire, I was gonna say the the final bit, you know, where she's like, you know, basically where she's like, oh, let me just show you, you know. Yes, that was completely satire, obviously. She's like acting like she's someone else. She took on a character, you know, and satirized uh, you know, somebody that would be a Christian comedian, you know. Um Christian comeback comedian.

SPEAKER_07 9:46

Yeah, comeback.

unknown 9:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:49

Um yeah. But yeah, I had a little bit for observational, I had a little bit for improv, but I'd also put crowd work. Like I think improv and crowd work are very similar. And she she'd ask the audience.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Oh, she did do a little crowdwork. Yeah. I think what you guys are talking about too is like what you're at least what you're talking about, Nick, is what I was saying before is like she's very understated in all of the aspects. So that's why it's like, I mean, she did a little of that, but do is it enough to check the box? Like to me, that's like just keep it's it's not like doing it at like this level, it's doing it at like a lower level, you know. Just like, oh, I'm gonna put a little taste of that in there, but not a full-on like character or you know, anything like that. Physical comedy. I'm not gonna go crazy like a Brian Regan or something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_07 10:35

So but I think just her whole bit around the urn, like that's what I was thinking. That that was physical comedy. Like she was acting out a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Um a lot of things, yes. A lot of things.

SPEAKER_07 10:53

Um and and also I think the the little bits are to her credit. Like she she uses the whole toolbox, not because it's the only tool she knows, or that's not saying it real well at all, but she knows what tool she wants to use and to which best effect, and she uses it. Yeah, she's not like using a screwdriver as a hammer because it's all she has. She knows how to use the whole toolbox, like she knows what she's doing. Uh that's my take on it, anyway. Um, Gina, you want to kick us off on this subject matter, the other array of checkboxes?

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Yeah, so I dabbled into it a little bit, but definitely her subject matter is pulling from her personal life. Um a little bit of dark humor, and she talks about that, you know, part of that coming from losing a parent at a young age, she credits to developing some of her dark sense of humor. Wasn't a ton of political. I don't feel like she really touched on pop culture much at all. Um, and the other box I did put religious, uh, because that just makes up so much of her sense. Yeah. Um, yeah, I I wouldn't I wouldn't say political, but definitely uh religious.

SPEAKER_07 12:04

Cool. Brian, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Yeah, I had uh I had some social commentary, um, personal life. Um I I and I I tried to get it, but I know there was a reference to pop culture in there somewhere. I think but it was I think it was only like one reference to something that was like pop culture-ish. Um veggie tales. Veggie Tales.

SPEAKER_07 12:24

Yeah, yeah, there was veggie tales, and then there was a thing. There was like no belt, no bible, no, and then bridges of Aberrath or something like I didn't read the bridges of Cerabithia Bridge to Terabithia.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

Bridge to Terabithia, yeah, that's right. Very upsetting novel that is unfortunately very good, and so we do use it in school still a lot.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:47

Gotcha. Yeah, I never read it, I never heard of it.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

So like similar to like where the red fern grows or something, like similar to yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Yeah, I would definitely put them in the same vein of like this is good literature, but you're gonna cry at the age of like nine.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

We told our son to stop reading towards the end. We were like, just don't finish, don't finish the red the red fern. We're just like, you get the gist. Like, just it's something bad happens, so just don't, you know. Um yeah, it's the what was the other thing I was gonna say about the um uh what was it? It was like oh the dark humor thing. So yeah, the the there's a lot the like her her flushing ashes down the toilet one t tablespoon at a time. Like that's pretty dark. That that whole death when you get into death, like when she was talking about death a lot and like dead people and things like that, that's got pretty dark there in that area, you know.

SPEAKER_07 13:38

Or if you're if you're gonna be cremated, you know, you get to decide how annoying you are to your family.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Yes. Like I have to talk about that. That was my favorite part. That was all about estate planning. Where she was like, yeah, you can't. Yeah, let's save it.

SPEAKER_07 13:51

I'll save it then. Um I did check, I checked absurdist because of how she opened, like with the comparing her being jealous of her imaginary AI robot boyfriend in the dishwasher. Yes. Um and then also for to account for the Christian and and I'd say queer aspects, I I did check the ethnic slash cultural.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Oh.

SPEAKER_07 14:15

I thought the culture slash queer are both cultural. Yeah. Sort of subcultural. Um yeah. So let's see. Let's let's get into our scoring. So this is where we judge quality and and such. The first one is laughs per minute. Thankfully, we don't actually count the laughs per minute, though. I don't know, maybe I should. We'll see. Someday. But uh Gina, what did what did you score her as? Um, how frequently did the comedian generate laughs?

SPEAKER_02 14:46

Um, I did put her at an eight, the steady laughs throughout. I do think if you were truly timing, you know, by a per minute basis, uh it would probably come out as less. But um You know, a lot of what she's doing is telling stories, right? These aren't super quick jokes, you know, of setup punchline, set up punchline. And so I do think that maybe she's, you know, going a minute or two between laughs, but every time that she got to the delivery or the the payoff of one of those stories, the audience was right there with her and was laughing heartily. So I I gave her an eight.

SPEAKER_07 15:21

Yeah, I I actually gave her a nine because I I just I kept feeling like, man, I am just always laughing. Like she's just yeah, laughing at every bit, except for like like the bridge to Arab Terabithia, Arab. I can't, yeah, because I've never heard of it, but I I got the context, right? So yeah. What about you, Brian? What would you score?

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Yeah, I gave I gave her a seven. Um, and I I think it's sort of that this is always hard for me, Gina. This one because of that exact thing, because certain comedians they don't it doesn't lend itself to them getting a laugh constantly, like uh as opposed to like somebody who's doing like one-liners or like really short, like you know, like punchline, then joke, then punchline, then joke, then punchline to joke, you know. Um, and so I I always feel bad because I'm like I think it's seven out of ten, but um, but yeah, I think that's just because of the style of her comedy, not because of the quality of the comedy. It's just um, you know, uh it's there's a little bit of time that it takes to build up to the the the payoff, as you say.

SPEAKER_07 16:24

Who who made the rubric, Brian?

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Yeah, Nick always yells at I didn't and I do like I made this up myself, and then I complain about like who made this stupid ballad? It's so stupid, you know?

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Like so as teachers, we monitor and adjust. If the rubric is not working for you, you can always change the rubric.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

We did, we did a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 16:45

You're one of our last years to uh receive the the update.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

Yeah, that is true.

SPEAKER_07 16:52

Um I and I think that's why I gave it a nine, is because I feel like laughs per minute is a measure of quantity, not necessarily quality. Like one not all laughs are created equal. So the laugh that's a result of a story where there's tension and build-up and suspense, the payoff, that that laugh carries more weight to me than say a litany of one-liners.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 17:17

I'm with you. Now speaking of quality, content quality, one out of ten. How well written were the jokes and stories? Whoever wants to go first. Three, two, one.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

Gina.

SPEAKER_02 17:30

All right. Um, I gave her an eight. I think that when you are telling your own stories, they always come across as really as really strong, right? Because you're there, you can put exactly the nuance you need to. You've got all the little details um that you can highlight, you know, to make something funnier or more poignant. Um and a little bit of my bias is gonna, you know, show through some of my scores, not all my scores, just because of how much I relate to her, um, you know, coming from a very similar place. And so I yeah, I gave her an eight.

SPEAKER_07 18:06

So that's the high side of strong creative writing. Do I need to read the modifier when I'm giving my so yeah, after some brief technical difficulties, we are back. I was just responding to Gina that uh she doesn't have to read off the different pieces. Um that's that just leaves me something to say in between, as we call different people. I don't mind that at all. So, in fact, content quality, Brian. What what did uh oh wait, yeah. What what did you score Taylor as?

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Yeah, I had um just just shy of what Gina did uh seven. Uh so on that low end of strong creative writing. Um I think her writing is really good. I think she uh obviously I think we talked about this on the uh the other episode about um I want to say Leanne Rhymes, but it's not Leanne Rhymes, it's um the other comedian Leanne Morgan, yeah. And she's similar in that she just all her stories about her husband and her kids, and obviously there's no husband and kids here, but um, but like her personal life, you know, her family life, her other things like that. And um I think that lends itself to the comedian coming off as super genuine, and um because you can tell if they're faking it or exaggerating a story or something like that, and these just seem like these are real things, and they have the gift of being able to make it funny uh in a certain way. They the delivery, the timing, the you know, the facial expressions and things like that, and they sort of bring you as the audience member into their world, into their personal life, and make you understand why it's funny, and um, and so I think that's that's always a creative thing, even though I'm talking about delivery of the material, but um, which is next, but uh, but the content I think is strong.

SPEAKER_07 19:56

So yeah. Tina, this is where you you get to learn along with the audience who who's probably seen this in other episodes, heard this in other episodes. We can do decimals. So for me, Taylor got 9.5. Okay. Um I think between me also relating with her from that religious upbringing um and then just probably the Halo effect, because she's an attractive lady. I'm gonna be scoring her high throughout this. Probably the highest marks I've given anyone so far, uh, to spoil that a little bit. But yeah, I I I said that her brilliant, brilliantly written, unique material. Um and I I do have I guess examples or things like because they are such personal stories, that makes the material pretty unique. You know, I don't think I've ever heard anyone in a comedy set talk about being dumped by a polyamorous person. Yeah. Or um what was the other one I wrote down that was innovative? Um, talk talking about HR and what's appropriate. Do you have a picture of Kyle? Like that was something I've never heard a woman admit out loud. And I know that it's not just about the picture. She asks a ton of questions after like how what does he smell like?

SPEAKER_00 21:17

You know, my favorite question that she asks is what is he working with? Yes. She's like, what is he working with? And I'm like, whoa, all right.

SPEAKER_07 21:28

Sure. And and there's plenty of comedians who'll do a bit about you know HR training and and such. Uh, but hers was innovative and unique, and um plenty of other things. I just wanted to give a couple of examples. Any anything else on the content quality before we move on to performance and delivery?

SPEAKER_00 21:50

No, I think well, I'll say I'll say this content quality. One other thing. Yeah, exactly. It's a podcast. We need to talk. Um no, one other thing I'll say is. That we just sit here shaking our heads in silence. It's great.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

Um it's a verbal body language.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Right, exactly. The thing I'll one other thing I'll say about content is it was interesting because uh when you're watching a variety of specials like this one being very, very current, um, some of the subject matters are so um they're just they're just so right now, if that makes sense. So, you know, talking about AI, one of her first jokes was about AI. I mean, the very first off right out of the bat is like, I'm glad you guys came to my show because AI's getting really good. You know, like that just first first joke right after she she walks out. And then obviously, Nick, Nick, you already mentioned the um, you know, the uh the robot husband and her, you know, her drunk, you know, drunkenly uh defending the robot husband. Um and then I also thought there was also there's also a reference to the algorithm. Like when she was talking about Netflix later, she was like, she's like, oh no, oh, but you know what, if it's good for the algorithm, you know, like if they said, hey, if you like Bridgerton, then you know, and it was like her special or whatever.

SPEAKER_07 23:07

Yeah, yeah, she that's where she was saying she she doesn't masturbate to Bridgerton. She has she has to.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Yeah, she doesn't. Exactly, exactly. Um, but no, I I just liked that. I like the fact that it was it was so distinctly now, you know, um, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_07 23:26

So uh that that is one thing talking about the the AI and the dishwasher, which you know, which I think the dishwasher there was a tons of great puns in the world.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

I was gonna say that is right up your alley, Nick, because it was it was all puns and sleep my alley out of this. Just because I like a queer comedian doesn't mean that I mean I just I that was I think that part got me laughing really hard just because she was like, What does she you know, does it have a bigger rack than me? And yeah, does it get wetter than I do? And like all of a sudden it's just like such the double, you know, double entendres and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 24:03

So anyway. Yeah. So so more about performance and delivery. What do you have, Gina?

SPEAKER_02 24:10

I gave her an eight. I think she comes across as very confident um when she's delivering her her sets. Um and again, she's telling her own stories, right? I I think that's that makes her really powerful comedy. She she's incredibly confident as she's delivering. Um, she's engaging. Um, this almost feels like you know, some of the stories, not all of them. You could be like at a girl's night, and she's like, y'all, I have some tea, right? And she's just telling, you know, what happened on the, you know, oh, I got dumped by the polyamorous person or whatever it was. It just it feels very genuine.

SPEAKER_07 24:49

Yeah, that's I get the same kind of content at a girl's night.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

You've been invited to a lot of girls' nights.

SPEAKER_07 24:57

In my dreams, Brian.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

You put the face mask on. Yeah. The eye, the eye patches.

SPEAKER_07 25:03

That's what gets me through the door.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

That's that's what gives him his his youthly uh youth youthward uh youthly uh look that he has, you know. His glow, his aura. Exactly. No, no bags under the eyes, you know. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_08 25:17

That's the topic in hand.

SPEAKER_07 25:21

Yeah, isn't it delivering?

SPEAKER_10 25:26

Are you dad maxing?

SPEAKER_07 25:30

Yes, that's that's accurate. All right, Brian. Okay, you have the floor.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

I I said she was a nine out of ten. I think she's uh a very commanding stage presence, excellent timing. I think her use of pauses and other things like that in order to enhance the laugh, enhance the delivery, things like that. Um just very um I I also noticed a couple of times uh it's sort of like um almost like a meta thing where sometimes you see someone speaking and you see them do like a hand gesture or something, and you can you it you can like in the moment it looks spontaneous, but then as you're looking at them in that position, you're like that was very, very rehearsed. Like that was this very specific movement for that specific thing. Like one of the things is she held her hand up like this for a phone, and it was like very specifically put, like you know, when she said, This is what love looks like, you know, to the marrying your cousin bit that she did. And uh and it was it was like it was good, it wasn't distracting, but at the same time when I saw it, I was like, okay, that's the perfect movement, the perfect no sort of delivery of that um that enhanced the joke. It's not there's nothing funny about the body position or anything like that. It's not physical comedy, but um it enhanced the joke and made it real, you know, to you. So just sort of like we talk about in doing speeches and things like that, um, making sure that the audience is you're you know, you're pantomiming the way you're supposed to be pantomiming. So so nine out of ten.

SPEAKER_07 27:00

Sure. In in specific to that hand gesture, like it was big, right? Like it didn't look like she was holding a phone perfectly.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Right.

SPEAKER_07 27:09

It was exaggerated, like her hand and her fingers were stuck out more than they would if she was really holding a phone.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:15

And that helps the people in the back see what she's doing, yeah. And and sort of fill in fill in the gaps. I gave her a 9.5 out of 10. I like I said, I I think I think I fell in love with Taylor a little bit. Um like I didn't know she was queer until she said so in the thing. I'm like, I was like, oh what? She's queer, and then and then she clarified and said she's bi. Like, oh, so you're saying there's a chance. She can still be on my imaginary list. Audience engagement.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Man, where did three categories end, though? And I'm worried I graded her too harshly. I'm grading her heart harsher than you guys did. No. Considering how much I loved the special, like my final score does not reflect how much I personally loved the special.

SPEAKER_07 28:02

We'll we'll tell you this too. You get to add favoritism points at the end. Yeah. Okay, perfect. Yeah. You you can pad that six points, sixty points, whatever you want to do.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

You can give bonus points at the end. You can do, I mean, really, none of this matters. So you can just do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_07 28:15

I mean, it's just like you did when you were teaching, right? I'm sure that there were kids who are failing. You're like, you know what? I love the kid. He gets 10 more points.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Absolutely not. I was impartial and fair.

unknown 28:26

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

That was quick. That was a quick response.

SPEAKER_10 28:30

You earned the def, Timmy. Get good.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Be better. You're you're my better, Timmy.

SPEAKER_05 28:36

But you're the dumbest student, and you need to know that.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Oh, that brought back some childhood memories.

SPEAKER_07 28:43

Yeah, trigger warning. Okay, so this is the first one.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

I can't get you help and accommodation.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Right, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 28:52

That's that's so true. Um, all right, so this one scored out of five. Um, one out of five. Audience engagement. Did the audio that's wrong? Did the comedian connect well with the audience? Brian, you go first this time.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yeah, so I'm gonna pull from Nick's book a 3.5. Uh had a hard time getting between a three, so three strong engagement audiences invested, um, captivating full audience buy-in. I don't know that it was actually like all the way to a four, but I also felt like it was sort of higher than a three. So that's where I ended up there. Um, the audience clearly is there. I've said this before, too. By the time somebody has Netflix specials, the people that are going to see that and that are going to the record or going to the special, they're the fans of this person. So they're all there to see Taylor. And um, and also they've been warmed up by another comedian and you know, other things, and trying to make sure that like you're getting a good response for this special. And so it's always a diff a little bit difficult. It's always I would say that everyone's already bought in before they walk in the door. And so, um, but then the question is what was the what did the response sound like? And unfortunately, a lot of that is a lot of that's editing, and a lot of it is, you know, I'm pretty sure they don't add in any kind of fake laughter or anything like that. Uh, but um, but I think even if you heard the audience not only laughing, but like that she would say something and they would applaud and they would woo and stuff like that. To me, that's all audience engagement. Like they're they're in the show, they're they're enjoying it. Um, it doesn't all have to be laughs, but I still think 3.5 out of five.

SPEAKER_09 30:39

Cool. Gina, what about you?

SPEAKER_02 30:42

I had a three as well. I didn't know we could do decimals, it wasn't written on the rubric. I gotta do that. Okay. Change it live. I'm writing a note right now.

SPEAKER_07 30:52

You can change it live.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

I mean, yeah, like I mean, I still think a three is okay. It says strong engagement and audiences invested. Again, because so much of it is the longer, longer form jokes, right? In the form of like stories or longer setup, I guess it's kind of hard to tell. Like you you you hope the audience is still hanging with you, you know, if it takes two minutes to get to your punchline. Um, but again, sort of with the laughs per minute, it always seemed like they were really engaged when she got to the funny bit or the punchline.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Yeah, I think I think that's right. I think um, you know, I mean, that's a good point, really. It's just that like once they once you get to the part where they're supposed to be laughing, if they're not engaged, then they're they're not gonna respond in the way that they did.

SPEAKER_07 31:43

So I gave her a five out of five.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Nice. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 31:49

I think there's plenty of quotes that I could pull that justify that. The quick poll. And after the poll and the responses, she's like, Don't discuss, don't discuss. Yeah. Save it for the fight home. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Yeah. Um that was the cousin bit.

SPEAKER_07 32:06

Yeah. Yeah, that was part of the cousin bit. And then I can't read my own writing. I I read it a second ago and now I can't read it again. But then she also like asked, like, who's a mom or you know, who's done this. She's she got people that you could hear from the audience saying things. Yeah, I can't read it. This oh, this section. There we go. Yeah. So she made made a couple of different references at times, like this section's the sad section, and this section's the such and such section. Um, so I think that's part of audience engagement too. Diversity of material. Did the comedian cover a range of topics? By her own admission, this might be kind of low, but Gina, what did you say?

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Yeah, uh, this is the lowest I rated her. I put a two for some variety, but limited. Um, was the material uh material fantastic? Yes, but I do feel like it was pretty much exclusively, you know, dead mom, religious upbringing, came out as queer in my 30s.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Yeah, that was a lot.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

I feel like everything could could be put into and I mean it was an hour of material. So I mean, like she she had a lot of material for those topics, but it did feel a little bit narrow. Um, was I the target audience for this narrow material? Absolutely. I was so on board, but maybe a little narrow if those aren't uh maybe your your niche.

SPEAKER_07 33:35

Gotcha. Brian, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Yeah, I I went a little higher on that. I I gave actually um a four, um, kept fresh, wide, wide range. And I the reason I say that is just because some of the things I've already mentioned. So we've got like we've got AI, we've got the algorithm, we've got um robot dad, robot husbands, marrying cousins, estate planning. Um Uncle Jim the pastor, I set him up, you spike them. Um and uh one of my favorites, the only time I have ever just known something is when I have diarrhea. Um that one's that one's a really good one. So uh, you know, so like to me, all that is like, even though those are parts of jokes, sort of, if you will, um, that I feel I felt like that kept it diverse, even though I think you're right, the common thread throughout it, Gina, is that is exactly what you said. It's like, you know, came out, grew up in a religious household, and everything sort of ties back to that somehow. Um, like, you know, all the all the jokes about her dead mom and all the things like that, you know, that sort of ties back to the household um stuff like that. But but I gave her a four.

SPEAKER_07 34:47

So I also gave her a four, which is a pretty low score for me and Taylor, admittedly. It's four out of five for you listening on your favorite device. It's wide range, keep kept it fresh. Um if if she hadn't like called out the fact that she's just talking about god stuff and gay stuff, like that's a quote, then I probably would have given her a five out of five because again, I just liked it so much.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:15

Um one one thing, Brian, because you mentioned estate planning, I want to do this. It's like a special segment because I know you both so well. I feel like I do anyway.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_07 35:27

Um there were so many references that this this was the first time I've done this where I really wish I was sitting beside either either one of you or both of you. Because there's so many things like I would have loved to see your reaction knowing what I know about you. Um like the when she said, Do you have a picture of Kyle and how tall is he? Like, I thought of our mutual friend Gina, um, who's one of one of our groomsmen, yeah. Yeah, one of your groomsmen, who's a very tall gentleman named Kyle. Like how about that? Um, what else? What else? What else? We got oh, anytime I want to sign a scary document, if I can't get married, I'll sign my will. But yeah, definitely looked at you in my head.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:08

The Veggie Tales reference. I looked at you, Tina. Um when when she she outright did a call out criticizing um televangelists about weren't you weren't you already supposed to be sub uh promoting a book? Yes, yeah, you know, strongly implying the Bible.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

That was the pop, that was one I thought that was sort of pop culture reference too, where she was like, How many, how many more bestsellers do you need, Joel?

SPEAKER_10 36:31

Yeah, she name-dropped him.

SPEAKER_07 36:33

Yeah, well, name-dropping Joel, I looked at you because of that that bet you and I had specific about Joel, right? Gina, that that bet I told you about, that's Brian.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Yeah, okay. I'm I'm the guy that caused him to, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

Um well, can I can I piggyback off you real quick?

SPEAKER_00 36:50

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

Okay, so talking about if we had been watching this together, right? Um, one of the jokes that was in her set when we went was the how many of you are here with your partners, clap if you would break up if you found out they were your cousin, and I'm sitting there right next to my husband.

SPEAKER_07 37:09

Did did you clap or is that too much tea?

SPEAKER_02 37:13

Wait, which answer was which? I forget in the special.

SPEAKER_07 37:16

Uh I don't remember, but like basically would did you did you say you would never mind?

SPEAKER_02 37:22

I think we jokingly were like, do we have to tell people and are we going to have kids? Right. Yeah, yeah. If we don't have to tell anybody, we're not gonna have kids.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Asking the right questions, you know.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

I mean because we are already married at this point. He's not just a boyfriend.

unknown 37:39

Right.

SPEAKER_07 37:40

Um, and then the other was the um the I'm not gonna say the explicative because I'm trying to avoid that, but have having sex with the toaster.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_07 37:51

She made that quote. Yes, and Gina's husband, his uh gamer handle has the word toaster in it.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

That's hilarious. So we often Yeah, so you turn your back on your family, but you won't stop the toaster blinking the toaster.

SPEAKER_07 38:07

That's it, that's exactly it.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

Yes, I thought of you as well.

SPEAKER_07 38:13

All right, that made me lose track of where we were.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

We had sorry, that was diversity.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Yeah, that was diversity material.

SPEAKER_07 38:19

Okay, yeah, so number six, impact and memorability. Was this a performance that sticks with you? That's uh oh, you know what? I'll go first.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 38:31

I gave a nine plus out of ten. I got tired of the decimals. So I couldn't decide. I felt like more than nine, but I went ahead and decided it was nine. That's uh unforgettable, highly impactful. Um yeah, there's just a lot of stuff that I was writing things down. I couldn't keep up with all the stuff that stood out to me. Um and yeah, it just I don't know that I can repeat anything because when it's kind of foul mouthed and I'm often in mixed company, except when I'm with Brian or Gina. Um or I'm just not queer, you know, like it wouldn't land. Like I can't talk about how sucking a dick is like running a marathon. Uh I can't but yeah, we'll we'll get to that in a bit too, huh?

SPEAKER_00 39:21

She said she can.

SPEAKER_07 39:23

Yeah, well let's let's go there now or later. Um it comes up later in my it comes up later, okay. Yeah. Um so yeah, impact and memorability for you, Gina.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

I put a six, which I'm editing now because I I don't know. I don't know why I graded this so harshly.

SPEAKER_08 39:43

Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

I was also watching it at four in the morning. I mean, I was definitely still laughing. I'm I keep really weird hours, but um yeah, I don't know why I put a six originally, which just means some standout moments. I think maybe I was kind of tying that back into the narrow focus. And um, but no, I I definitely want to put her in strong memorable set. So I'll use my first decimal, 7.5. Nice. I I do think, and I I don't know that I could adequately like quote or retell a whole bunch of these because they are those longer form jokes. Um, but I do think that the overall feeling and listening to her and going, oh, like she she gets me, right? Like we've we've got enough shared experiences, like, oh, she gets me. That I think left a memorable feeling, even if I can't like repeat all of her jokes to somebody that hasn't seen the special.

SPEAKER_07 40:48

That's fair. Brian?

SPEAKER_00 40:51

Yeah. Uh I did a seven out of ten. And I think that yeah, strong, memorable set. I think going back to what you were talking about a minute ago, Gina, which is like sort of the diversity of material. Um, when you I think when you zoom into the jokes, it's though the jokes are within those themes that we were talking about, you know. Um, but they're also sort of like standalone. And so like obviously, my near and dear to my heart, estate planning. Um that when she's talking about wills and she's talking about how you do your this is what I do all day long, Gina, just in case you didn't know my in my real life, I I'm an estate planning attorney. So I do that stuff. So that part was to me very memorable and hilarious because I'm dealing with clients all day long and talking to them about, yeah, you should probably write something down about how you want your ashes. They never do, by the way. They never ever do. Never. But I'll say this that like um, you know, I thought it was hilarious that she's like, You ever been to Toledo in January? You know, like my wife was born in Toledo, so I was like, uh I was laughing extra hard at that. And then she goes, No, no, actually, I want you to do it in the week between Christmas and New Year's, you know, like the worst possible time. So if you hate your relatives, you know. And then I also thought it was funny that she talked about uh I fact-checked a little bit because she was like, Yeah, did you know that if you die and you don't have any kids, like your closest relatives are your parents? Like if your parents are still alive, it goes up first. People don't know that. Like your inheritance goes up first and then it goes down and then it goes up and then it goes sideways and then it goes down, and then it goes sideways even more because you're going out to like second, third, fourth cousins, things like that. So, anyway, that's a little estate planning corner from Brian DeCure. Um and Taylor Tomlinson. And Taylor Tomlinson. No, but I just thought that was really funny. I thought that made it more memorable, at least to me. Um, I think uh you know, I don't know if that's a cheating on this one, but um, but again, seven out of ten.

SPEAKER_07 42:50

Hey, we're we're doing this in in group, right? Like part of why we're comparing our scores is to see what the the mean is similar to right.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

Oh did you cut out again, Nick?

SPEAKER_02 43:06

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_07 43:08

No, I was muted.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

Oh, okay. Hello, welcome to it. Don't mute yourself. This is a podcast.

SPEAKER_07 43:14

Yeah, yeah. Dead air is death.

SPEAKER_00 43:16

Okay, say what you said again, because we didn't.

SPEAKER_07 43:18

Say what I said again. Oh my gosh. Forgot what I said again, but I'm just gonna go to the case.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

Oh, it was probably really funny too.

SPEAKER_07 43:22

Oh, I'm sure. It was not a memorable standout moment though for me. Use of callbacks. This segment is near and dear to my heart. Uh second only to puns, which isn't on the rubric. Did the comedian effectively use callbacks on a scale of one to five? Brian, you go, because Gina looks ready.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

How dare.

SPEAKER_00 43:49

Yeah, I um I said some effective callbacks, so a three out of five. Um I caught a couple of them in there. The uh the uh I can't I don't know if I'm gonna be able to say it the way she's like. Everyone wants to be dead with daddy, you know, or like that kind of thing. That she made that call back, you know, dead with daddy. And then she made also a call back to the um Joseph on Christmas story. Like there was uh time later that she came back to that at the end um and just made reference to it. Um some effective, not a lot. Like uh she wasn't definitely not pulling us back to the beginning of the set, but um, but I think they were effective and they were uh you know, they were used like sort of not necessarily minimally, but um, but in a good way. So three out of five.

SPEAKER_07 44:36

Gina.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

All right. Um I I gave her a four on this. I thought that her callbacks were well executed. Um, I'm also a big fan of callbacks. Um, I think they're very clever. Um, and I do think that they have to be sprinkled in. You know, you don't want to have too many. So I actually junted them down so that I could kind of have uh be better able to defend my score, I guess. I counted five over the span of a one-hour special. Um, I think my favorite woman was when like I caught the two that you mentioned, the dead with Nebby and Joseph on Christmas. Um she when they were making fun of Mary, right? From the perspective of like all the men on the Christmas sermon. And then Oh, do you mean the profit pumpkin? Oh, do you mean the Vincible? And she goes, I could keep going, but I'll stomp. That's actually a fun game if you need to cool down from the cousin fight from earlier.

SPEAKER_04 45:29

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

And I I really liked that one because I mean that I feel like was I mean, the cousin fight was real close to the beginning, and then this was very much the middle of the set. So I mean, some time had passed. I think that's the one that caught me the most off guard. Her other callbacks, I feel like were a little closer to the original delivery. Um, so yeah, I I gave her a four. I thought they were very well executed.

SPEAKER_07 45:53

That's funny. I th I think um how was it? The the the the one you just mentioned was I I consider that a quick callback. Which one? The the cousin fight on the way like for the cousin, like um that's a fun game while you're in the cousin fight.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

But I guess yeah, that's kind of the callback itself was super quick. Yeah, like she threw it away with just one line. But I'm saying, like, from her original delivery of the cousin fight, I want to say 20 minutes or more had passed.

SPEAKER_03 46:24

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 46:27

The so the she mentioned so the callbacks I counted, or not counted, but oh yeah. Um she made a couple about being tall. So early in the set, she talked about how you know that she learned that uh people lie, or that she learned I forget how it goes, but um basically men lie about being tall. And that wasn't that was really kind of a throwaway joke. Like I felt like there's maybe a couple of ways to interpret it, but then later she made a ref callback to it talking about well, the HR situation and how tall is Kyle. And then later she she talked about being um realizing that she's bisexual and how she's not necessarily good at it. She's like, How tall am I?

SPEAKER_00 47:16

Yeah. Um, she also said um she also made a reference to tall when she said she's below I believed a lot of stupid shit, like I believed tall guys.

SPEAKER_07 47:27

Yeah. Yeah, that's that was the first one. That was the first one. Okay. Okay. So you remembered it better than I did. Um but then at the very end, and this is maybe what y'all are talking about with Christmas Joseph is oh, whores are lying to to you two? Or about the whores who are lying to you. Um that was that was a distant callback.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 47:49

And oh, the another quick what I mean by quick callback is it's like she it's a callback where you don't really need much memory to remember it because it's like short term. Um she talked about how Siri is capitalizing G and God. Oh yeah. She's like, I did not consent to this. Like um, but then late not long after that, she talks about how she when she talks about Gilmore girls, oh she capitalized it, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 48:17

She capitalized those G's.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 48:19

I had that one too.

SPEAKER_07 48:21

Um I think y'all mentioned the other ones already that that I got.

SPEAKER_02 48:25

But diarrhea came up twice.

SPEAKER_07 48:29

Diarrhea came up twice? Yeah. What was the second one?

SPEAKER_02 48:32

I don't remember, but you know, as a fifth grade teacher and poop joke enthusiast, I did write it down.

SPEAKER_07 48:41

That's funny. I I didn't catch um the one you mentioned, Brian, that uh wrote it down the or no, I think Gina, you mentioned it. Oh, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

It's coming back to the book.

SPEAKER_07 48:52

Dead with Daddy. Like the Dead with Daddy joke didn't resonate with me, so like I kind of dismissed it, but I realized that she did make multiple references to it.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

It was when she was telling the um the story of the prodigal son, right? From the the like the actual story from the Bible, and how upset the firstborn child is in that story, and she goes, All of the firstborns in the audience listening to this, we all just got diarrhea, didn't we?

SPEAKER_00 49:20

That's what it was. That's right. Yes. You're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 49:24

Um, and it's funny, I relate with her talking about firstborn and having problems with it, even though back when I was being brought up religious, I was perfectly fine with the prodigal stone story. I didn't have issue only in retrospect though, I have it. Uh yeah, so that's that's a pretty good exploration. Oh, my score though was five out of five. Nice. I agree about the sprinkling comment. Like, you don't want too many, you just want enough to be that callback and keep the audience engaged. Um seizing things.

SPEAKER_00 49:58

I think also like a thing with callbacks is like it has to be enough so that the audience knows it's because I've I've had ex-we've experienced some comedians before where you really are like, I'm pretty sure that was a callback, but like I don't it's like so subtle, and so it's almost like it has to be enough, but it also can't be too much.

SPEAKER_07 50:18

I disagree. I I think I think that's I think that's how dare you! How dare you disagree with me? I know this is like the the most animated we've gotten on the thank you, Gina, for bringing this out. Yeah, um like so I agree, like it it's the season metaphor works perfectly here because like there's plenty of times where you your favorite seasoning, you want to taste it in the food.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

Sure.

SPEAKER_07 50:40

But then there's others where the seasoning matches or pairs or combines with other flavors such that you can't identify the two things that are interacting, they've become a different taste altogether, yeah. And it's very subtle, it's it's unique, it's distinct, and you can't place it. And that's part of what makes it so great. Like it's just it's just there and you you love it, you don't even know why. Yeah, I think the subtle callbacks have a place too. Thank you for attending my TED talk.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

They can't all be dramatic dead with Daddy.

SPEAKER_07 51:12

Right. Right. Yeah, you have to reward the intelligence of your audience too. Yeah. Um okay, it's like the capitalized anyway, anyway, anyway. Let's let's move on. Style quality. How effective was the comedian's style? So, like, no judgment on what her style is.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 51:31

It's how well does she operate within her style, which we all agreed was storytelling, uh what some one-liners, observational. And yeah, observational. Oh no, actually, I only said a little bit, but you gave her a full check mark on observational. I think yeah, I think the only one we actually fully agreed on, all three of us, was storytelling. Um but anyway, what how do we how well do we feel she operated within her style? Uh Gina, you go first.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

Um, I gave her an eight for this. I I think kind of the metaphor I used earlier was you know, some of her storytelling. It's like we've all just sat down for girls' night, we've got our drinks, and she's like, I have to go first. Like I I have to tell you guys what happened. And yeah, I mean it just it really seems like I don't know, she really has confidence telling her own um sorry, just said brain part. She has a lot of confidence because she is telling her own experiences, and it really does seem like she's in a lot of these stories, she's spilling the tea. And you are you are the first person getting to hear this tea.

SPEAKER_07 52:40

I I think it with her telling her personal stories, to me, that takes so much bravery, like for me to be any that much personal um makes me give her higher marks for a lot of these. Like to be confident and to be so personal is impressive. Um so I I gave it 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

Dang confidence to tell people you got dumped by a polyamorous person.

SPEAKER_07 53:07

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, Brian, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 53:12

I think you were distracted, Nick. You got you did fall in love, man. Whew.

SPEAKER_07 53:16

I've always admired her, and I admired her more. I I I think I like this is the highest I've heard you score anyone. I know.

SPEAKER_00 53:23

You stupidly fell in love. Gosh. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:26

Uh I'm blushing. Biased, biased.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

You're like bumper. That's why I need friends to help me. You're hoping that you're hoping that Taylor's gonna listen to this podcast and give you a call, you know. A call back. A call back. All right, style quality. I gave a seven out of ten. They did an awesome job. Um, yeah, I think for for the the type of comedian that she is, uh, the way that she um, you know, basically like the her use of the way that she delivers the material and everything like that, the style quality, how effective was the comedian's style. I think um the way she dressed and all the stuff was just sort of like all tied in together, and it made everything work. I I really uh I guess I won't get into that later. I was that's more like cinematic quality, but like um, but as a preview, I like the way that it was filmed, I like the way it looked. Um and uh and so I but I just think I it was an enjoyable watch. And like I said, I think she was very effective in the style that she uses. Uh the other thing is she's been developing her style for quite some time, and uh, which I I mean by the time you get hopefully by the time you have a Netflix special, you have. You've you've had a few times, you know. I mean, she said she what she says, she started doing comedy at 16, right? I don't know how old she is now, but um, you know 30s, yeah. So so maybe maybe 16, 17 years, something like that. Um, that she's been doing, you know, doing stand-up. And um, and so you know, she's uh obviously had an ability to to develop that style, and I think at that shows in her in where she is now. So yep.

SPEAKER_07 55:10

Nice. Um we got your score too, right, Gina? Uh-huh. Yeah, we started with you. Timing and pacing uh out of five. Is the pacing effect oh did I give my score? I gave a 10 out of 10, but I didn't really say much why. Yeah, I did say, or I do think she mastered her style for sure. Like 20 years in comedy, yeah, telling her personal stories. You know, she paused when she needed to pause. She's physical, body language gestures that acted things out when she needed to. She made tons when she needed to, callbacks, like she she knows all the tools and she used them at opportune moments. Um so yeah, I felt like she's mastered her craft. Um that's why I needed the 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Nice.

SPEAKER_07 55:57

Timing and pacing. Effective for humor delivery, which I guess I just spoiled that. I gave a five out of five on that too. Biased! I know.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

Oh, seriously.

SPEAKER_07 56:10

Yeah, that's I'm I'm being kind of boring, but maybe you can have fun laughing at me. Gino, you got a better score?

SPEAKER_02 56:17

I did a four.

SPEAKER_07 56:19

Four out of five?

SPEAKER_02 56:20

Yeah, again, I feel like I graded this maybe a little harshly because, like, if I'm giving her a four, what would I have improved, right? Like if this was a student and they're like, well, how could I get a five? Um, you know, I don't know. I I don't know what I what I would say I was like expecting more of or anything. It just uh it it felt like a strong, well-timed delivery.

SPEAKER_07 56:43

Why don't you be a toxic teacher and just say, well, there's always room for improvement. Ugh. Right.

SPEAKER_05 56:48

I hate that answer. Brian, what what say you?

SPEAKER_00 56:54

I also gave a four out of five, and I think that you know, or the pacing of it was good. The I think that it's and I don't know, I always I always want to know how if that's regulated by editing or not, like if they edit together to make like certain amount of laughs come at certain times so that it is sort of like evenly paced across the board. Um, I mean, obviously they do edit these. Um, I would assume they I would assume even they potentially they edit things out um if they're like, yeah, that just isn't didn't work or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 57:28

Um I know we know one thing they didn't edit out. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Right.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Yeah, she's like, that's not gonna be in the special, and we're like, we just saw it. Um yeah, very meta. Um, but yeah, no, I think um, but I still think that it was like there were some audience reaction at regular intervals. Like I think we already talked about that to be the laughs per minute, basically, but um, but I think that's you know, that's basically that's part of the pacing, like, you know, that she's telling the joke. She's getting to the punchline at a in an appropriately quick time, you know, things like that. She's a little different. It's funny. Stand-up, I mean, uh storytelling comedians. I know we already went over this, but you know, there's a lot of comedians that are storytellers that tell really, really long. Actually, Drew Lynch, remember when we went and watched Drew Lynch, Nick, and he would tell a story that was like a 20-minute long story, and it was laughs within the story. So like he hadn't concluded the story, but it was laughs within. And then there's other storytelling comedians, which I think she is, where it's like a shorter form of story and then a a com like a punchline, and then she's on to another short form story and a punchline and a short form story. So it's not necessarily jokes and punchlines, but it's shorter form than some stellar storytelling comedian. So anyway, just a side note.

SPEAKER_07 58:51

Yeah, it's a good observation. Is that is that a four out of five, yeah. Okay, physical comedy. How well did they use physical elements in their comedy? So not it's not a frequency question. It's right when when she does show physical elements, how well does she use them? Uh we've got out of five, um I did 4.5 out of five. Of course you can't. Stupid how how enamored I am. I just I'm I'm attracted to uh confidence and kindness and competence, and she's just ultimately, you know, she was kind to uh people who are religious, especially the the right kind of religious. So like yeah, I just anyway. Um but I do feel that when she did physical elements, that the running example would be the tea, the teaspoon to the toilet bit.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:49

Um that's the one that stood out. I know there were like two or three others that were great, but that's part of why they were so great, is they were just there to exemplify the storytelling, exemplify the comedy, um, and not necessarily stand out on their own. Um so yeah, 4.5 out of five. Brian, what would you score?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

I did a little lower than that, a three out of five. Uh, but I do think that you know, she had some physical elements that were well used. And um, but yeah, the bit like I mean, even just the you know, giving the middle finger to the uh the ashes being fleshed down, you know, that that's physical comedy. That's uh like a physical element to the joke that if you were listening to this, you wouldn't catch that. It was a it was like an add-on to the joke, and um, and so you know, I think she did those things well. Um, I'm trying to think of what else. There was there's something uh I really I I'm fascinated by people acting like they're drunk, like the comedians that like and her her drunk acting was really funny to me. I don't know why. I just think it's like when somebody does an accent or something for me. I'm like, whoa, what are you doing? How did you do that? You know, like I just get like it's like a magic trick for me. So so I really like the beginning part when she was like, you know, talking about like you know, basically like he's my drunk husband. I mean, he's my he's my robot husband, so what? She's like, I know you plugged that guy in. She's like, it's a you know, it's a CPAP machine. She's like, so what? His stories are long. I just thought that was funny. Um if you haven't seen if you haven't seen uh if you haven't seen Chris Delia's special, he does one, he does a whole bit at the beginning of of drunk girls where he's doing a drunk, he's doing like a drunk girl at like impression, impersonation, impression. Um and that one to me is hilarious also, just because it's like it's so I don't know, it's not the it's not the joke about drunk girls, but it's the impression of a drunk person per se. You know what I mean? So anyway. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:53

What's your what's your physical comedy score, Gina?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

I did a three as well. Um, and I know we keep coming back to the same example, but it's the one that stands out in my mind, you know, shouldn't she pantomimes taking the tiny scoop of ashes, dumping it, violently flushing it, and then flipping it a mouth. Yeah. Um and it it was interesting what you just said, Brian, uh, about um if you were only listening to the special, you know, because they they are done as recordings as well, that you would miss some of that. And I have in the past, um, this is I mean, the days before Netflix, um, just just listened to some specials. And I remember one or two of the comedians must have been relying really heavily on their facial expressions for parts of their jokes and a little bit more of the physical comedy. And I remember sitting there, you know, just listening to it on my laptop, going, I'm I'm missing the funny part because the audience is like roaring with laughter. I don't know what this guy's doing on the stage in San Francisco or wherever it was recorded. Um but I do think that the times that Taylor used the physical comedy, she she did use it well. Um, especially that ashes scene and you know, crossing her arms when she was doing the and let's all be dead with Daddy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:07

Well, even with the teaspoon thing, like she she wiped some of the ashes off the spoon with her finger to like keep it level, you know, like level it off. Yeah, like it was like she's done it before, is how intricate as it was. Uh let's see, did it Levin? We only got we're going up to 13 for you listening. Uh Relatability, did the material resonate with a broad audience? Gina, what'd you say?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

This was my other one where I rated her lower than any of the other categories. I because it said broad audience, right? Now I'm reading my rubric. Um, relatability to me is a 10. Relatability, I think, to a broad audience, I gave her a six. I think that if you have absolutely no religious upbringing, you're gonna struggle to connect to some of the content. Um she, you know, she she does have several of her sets about being queer and coming out. I don't know that you necessarily have to have that in your own background to relate to those, but I think if you grew up like completely non-religious, I do think that the material is not gonna resonate as much. And she did, um, to her credit, she even has a bit where she goes, I try to explain some of these Bible stories in case you know you've never heard them before. Um, so she did explain a few things, you know, like the uh I'm gonna bring Saul 204 skins story. That's definitely not one. If you're a casual Sunday school goer, you may have missed that one.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:41

Right. She even made a pun there and said, That's a deep cut.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:44

Yes, she did. I knew you'd like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:48

Go on.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

Or yeah, no, that was that was it for me. I I do think that it was for a broad audience, maybe a little bit of a narrow uh narrow focus.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:58

Well, to make to make a sexist pun, uh you just said that she would be great with the night uh in a girl's night. So that is a broad audience.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:10

Yeah. There you go.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:12

There you go with your pun.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:14

Wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:16

You you got me to put my score down though. I I gave her a nine out of ten. But you're right. Like even by her own admission, she talked about how jokes didn't land with in was it not Sweden? Was it Sweden?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:26

Switzerland.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:27

Switzerland, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:29

That was hilarious when she was talking about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:30

Yeah, there's a couple of times we're like, oh, they grew up happy, or oh, you have God instead of healthcare?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:34

Yes. Like, yeah, you know, so and the being hit with a belt that they were like ready to call someone. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:41

No belts, no wooden spoons, no light abuse.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:44

No Bibles, no belts, yeah, exactly. No Bibles, no belts, no wooden spoons.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:48

Yep. We're taking it the wooden spoons, yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:51

I'm taking from a nine to a seven. That's the score I've given her. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

On any call you now.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:00

That's you know what? My integrity is worth more than whatever else could come before integrity. So Brian, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:12

I did the same thing as Gina. I had a six out of ten. I think uh I think exactly what you were saying. There's there's a you know, there's a certain amount of people that this is not gonna hit with, you know, and I think that's what relatability or resonating with is just like is that is it even gonna come close to something that they can latch on to? And even if it's like um you know, suspension of disbelief kind of where they're like, okay, I can get into this for this, you know, this set or whatever. But um, I don't think that's her style of comedy. I think she has a specific audience. I think there's more than I think there's more people that it resonates with than um like it's not extremely narrow. Um I and I always I always think of myself as like a weird case scenario because I just like comedy for comedy. Like I like all like all comedians. There are some that are like I'm I'm not as you know over the top about, but like, but um, but I don't think everyone's like that. I think uh, you know, I'm too much of a too much of a peacemaker, too much of a like, yeah, everyone's good. I love it, it's funny, you know? So um yeah. So okay. Uh let's go on to the next one, Nick.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:31

Well, yeah, I have one other quick comment about oh yeah number 11. The um part of the reason I had scored her so high was that she just hates confidence. Like in other people, yeah. Oh, she she doesn't like religion or peek people who are religious or something else. But yeah, like she just realized that the the the theme there, the connecting tissue is that she just doesn't like people who are so confident.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:58

Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:58

And then the other reason I previously scored her high was I felt like everyone knows someone who's religious or queer or both.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:10

So that that's in itself relatable because you can sort of laugh along with that experience or tangential experience.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:22

All right. Innovative techniques out of ten. Did the comedian bring something new or unique? What did you think, Brian?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:31

Yeah, this I gave a little bit of a lower score to than the other scores. I they they sort of skewed a little bit higher. I give a four out of ten, slightly unique, but nothing groundbreaking. Um she's pretty uh the other than the things we've already talked about, where her you know, her knowing her own style and her staying within that and developing that as what she is as a comedian. Um, I think that there wasn't anything like I mean, there wasn't a lot of innovative stuff here, um, even in subject matter or delivery or anything else, but she was solid in all of those other things. Um, and so uh I don't I wouldn't take a four out of ten as a negative on this, just it's just she's a straightforward comedian and she's getting laughs and um and so she's doing a good job there.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:18

I'm right there with you, Brian. Um, looking at the keywords on the rubric, right? New, unique, innovative, and then the keyword in number four being nothing groundbreaking.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:28

I like I'm right there with you. I I wouldn't say anything was exceptionally new or unique or groundbreaking, um, but she's telling her stories and she's doing it confidently. So absolutely enjoy the performance. I don't think this four should be viewed as a negative, which is what I gave her as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:47

Yeah, I'm mostly with you, but again, I've got it the whiting towards the bias. So I gave a seven out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

Highly innovative, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:57

Yeah, and I think I think I leaned on the topically innovative, like as I mentioned before, things like the dropped by or dumped by a poly person. Um the one that I hadn't mentioned yet that I thought was fairly innovative. Well, the the her tendency to do comparisons obviously isn't innovative, like you know, making parallels between um being attractive as a woman how and a dishwasher might be attractive, you know, making parallels there, or making parallels between um oh what was it? Oh like brownies, brownies in the trash, pouring water water on brownies in the trash.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:41

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:42

Um the way that she um did a comparison between like being a surrogate and door dashing, yeah. Getting Uber Eats or whatever. Yeah, like that was funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:57

That that was an innovative comparison to in my mind. And and admittedly, like one or two innovative topics probably isn't worth seven out of ten, but I'm just gonna leave it because I'm lazy and I want her to call me back.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:09

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:13

Was that all three? Yeah, yeah. We started with Brian. Yep. Alright. Cinematic quality. This is out of five. So not isn't gonna make or break anybody's scores, but it is an element that's necessary to assess in a in an in an assessment of a comedy special. How well was the performance filmed and edited? Gotta be careful not to make a Pete Holmes reference.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:38

Oh, dang it. Dang it. Edited it. Did you edit it?

SPEAKER_07 1:11:42

Edited it? I edited it. Gina, what what I don't think Gina's familiar with that reference. That's okay. That's that's that's our little inside joke in this conversation.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:52

All right. All right.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:54

Well, I'll show you the link.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:56

I gave it a four because I enjoyed the way that it looked. And I don't really have anything else in this category. I just I enjoyed the way it looked.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:04

Sure. Yeah. I I've been pretty light on commentary in this category too, except when it comes to Taylor Tomlinson.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:11

You enjoyed the way she looked.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:13

Like, oh, you know what? She was edited really well.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

I mean, her outfit was adorable. I wish I could pull off something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:24

It was really I like the the jacket style and everything. Anyway, Nick, I took I stepped on your toes. No, no, it's it's fine.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:31

Actually, you should be called on next for the cinematic quality looking.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:34

Oh, for me. Yeah, it's I did the same thing four out of five. I really like the way that it, I don't know, I the the spotlight look, the so not once. This is another one we always talk about. This is how much did they show the audience? And not once. We didn't see that it was all her, all it didn't have even a shot, even uh even when she did crowd work, it wasn't, I mean, literally we didn't see the audience there. The other crazy thing, or well, not say crazy thing, but interesting thing is that they showed an outside picture or um you know some type of uh you know like representation of the church that she was performing in, but we didn't see any of the inside. She referenced it, like she's like, it's that's why we're doing all this. Like we're I'm performing in all of this, but she but we didn't see it at all. And so um I thought the lighting was really cool. I thought there was one time I saw, which I know probably someone freaked out completely, is her hand went out of the spotlight. So her hand like went into the dark, like and she was gesturing, which is probably like and I saw the spotlight actually like jerk up a little bit, like um, which was very interesting to me because I'm always like looking for little things like that. And you know, somebody on the spotlight was like, holy shit, oh god, you know, like I didn't catch that. Yeah, it was very interesting, anyway.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:51

I didn't catch that either, but I did just catch that Brian said a wordy dirt.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:57

I was I was saying what the spotlight operator would have said in a panic, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:02

Anyway, so anyway, it's off recess for you exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:06

Wow, I man. All right, four out of five, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:10

Uh I gave a five out of five. Big surprise. But it I gave it pretty early on. Um, I liked how it all all the intro stuff worked.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:21

Uh I felt like it did a great job at setting the mood. Even the the secular song sung by a religious choir was really cool. Um the way it followed her in to from the backstage onto the stage, which I know is not necessarily unique or not uh innovative, like other intros, cinematic intros will do that. But I don't know, it just it worked really well. Um the the early shots gave me the feeling that I was getting to this show early because there's you know the foyer that was empty, and then sort of the the church while it was empty. Um and then to your point, Brian, them not showing the audience is uh I guess kind of our cumulative. Yours and my shared bias, and that um it makes me feel like I've got a front row seat. Like there's the other crowd's not there. I'm not I'm not looking around to see how the crowd is enjoying the show. I'm enjoying the show, and I'm watching the person on stage. Um and then just that the the finale, which was kind of a multimedia presentation of sorts, um, and even a costume change and and like how that all worked and was timed well. Um just yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:36

The cinematic quality was was noteworthy and well done. Five out of five. What was your favorite joker bit, Brian?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:46

So I did the I liked um, I mean, obviously I already said that. I like the part where she's talking about all the like, you know, did you know if you didn't do your, you know, you need to get your go-to a lawyer and you need to get your stuff in order, you know, and which is sort of what I'm that that was always good to me, but or that all that whole section was good to me. But I I liked her stuff talking about her uncle Jim, the pastor, and like how she was like these subtle digs, like like he she was like, So how was your early show? You know, and he's like, he's like, you know, you know it was the early service, right? And she's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, you know, she's like, and then she talks about like we're sort of the same, you know, like uh we're saving people all the time. I forget, I forget exactly what her reference was, but then then the I set them up, you spike the ball, you know, um, I make them guilty on Saturday and you save them on Sunday. Like all of those things were just real that whole like series of things is really funny to me, just like the way that it all fit together, and also just picturing like her talking to somebody who is a you know is a pastor. Um, I thought that was clever and well put together. So I think that's probably my favorite bit.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:53

What was your favorite bit, Gina?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:55

So this was the one where like I cackled out loud, so so loud I thought I was gonna wake my husband in the next room. Um, it was when she was talking about adoption um and surrogacy, that bit. And she was like, Yeah, you know, I don't think I ever want to have my own kids. Um I I might consider adoption. And she said, but anytime I mention adoption to uh, you know, the straight guy I'm dating, he says, No, it's gotta look like me or I'll eat it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:22

Yes, that was yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:28

Oh, I don't know. It just really, really tickled me.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:32

That was funny.

unknown 1:17:33

That's great.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:35

My this is gonna sound super stupid and sentimental, but and it was hard to pick, first of all, because like I loved every bit of it. Um so I had to settle on my favorite bit being where she was wrapping up and talking somewhat favorably about you know good religion. You know, saying that you know, religion is supposed to make you better for others, yeah, not better than others. Right. And that you know, religion is for community, connection, compassion, and comfort. I feel like that just showed a fair amount of healing on her part. And it was also just a great setup for the payoff of being the prodigal daughter and showing what her you know come back to Christian comedy, yeah, you know, tour might look like. Um so I just I think that was well done. Obviously, it's not exactly a bit, but uh that's my favorite part. It's nice kind of redemption art for the whole set.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:35

Well, didn't she acknowledge that some of her earlier stuff was a little more um I don't know the right word, maybe like not not quite animosity, but like didn't she acknowledge that her stuff used to be a lot more negative and like harshly critical? So I do think what you're saying, Nick, that like it it does show healing on her part, and she's acknowledged that she's done a lot of therapy, which is great.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:58

I mean, she yeah, she she referenced that she what was it she said? She said, I was going through a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:05

So when she was, you know, when she was making those other specials. So yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:11

So this is probably my favorite question, um, because I think it applies like it incorporates so many different facets. Yeah. Um what what is for you for you the most retellable joke? I will start with Brian, go to me, and end with Gina, because I think that'll be the be the finale.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:32

Um, so I this is one we haven't mentioned, but as a as an Enneagram nine, it was it was right exactly in what I needed to hear that other people think this way is when she said, Oh yeah, my friend um sent back their food and the restaurant. And she said, Why did you send it back? She goes, Well, there was a hair in it. And she goes, A single hair? She's like, there would have to be a toupee on my lasagna for me to be, and I'd just eat around it. I'd be like, Oh no, it's fine. I I didn't order with toupee, but it's okay, you know. Like that that's exactly me. Like my wife and I have had have had conversations where we're like, You send food back? You would send food back? Like, I've never think they're like, Oh, you order the chicken sandwich. Well, here's the burger. I'm like, Don't worry about it, it's fine. I'll take the burger. Actually, I wanted the burger more. Thanks. You know, like, you know, so so like that that part like just hit me just just right. And I was just like, yeah, exactly. Like, seriously, I'm like, it's okay, I'll I'll just I'll move the toupee to the side, it's fine, you know. Like, so yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:37

That's really good. I I might have I might have guessed, but it might not have been my first guess for you. Um mine is oddly enough, related to the wood living will, where she's telling her brother like what kind of criteria or process you should use to decide whether to pull the plug.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:58

And it's like if she's in a coma, um, he needs to put on Parks and Rec and play the entire season or all the seasons all the way through.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:08

And then if she's still not awake and she's building up like the tension, like then pull the plug, but she says, start the office. Yeah. But but don't let me experience uh what is it Andy Bernard becoming the manager. Kill me when Michael Scott leaves.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:25

Yeah, when he when Michael Scott leaves, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:27

When Michael Scott leaves, just kill me, you know, which is also a little bit of a girl talk kind of thing. Uh but yeah, I think that's probably the one I could retell out of all these, because I don't yeah, I don't have the queer component to be able to retell. Like there's a lot of stuff I just can't say.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:45

I may start incorporating that into my healthcare powers of attorney. Just how when do you pull the plug? After you've watched the whole season of Parks and Rack and part of up to your favorite part, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:21:59

The the jump the jumping the shark moment of the office. What about you, Gina? What's your most retellable joke?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:07

Um so mine is a little bit more of a one-liner. Um, not so much the the kind of ones with more lead up like you guys did. Um so when she was talking about coming out in her 30s, and she, you know, kind of related it to what's it's like uh being at the restaurant and telling the server actually today's my birthday. And they're like, okay. Um but then she said that specifically coming out as bisexual, she related it to um when you know, when you come on, see, this is supposed to be most retellable joke and I'm gonna mess it up. But she said, um, telling your friends is bisexual is like telling your friends that you're suicidal because they're just gonna say, oh Mel if you didn't go all the way, you're just doing it for attention. And that woman is really relatable uh to me, um, because as a queer woman as well, like, yeah, there is a lot of my erasure that happens. Um and sometimes people will straight up ask you that question. Well, have you been all the way with a woman? Um, first of all, not your business. Right. Second of all, you can still know without having gone down on a woman that you are interested in women, right? Like in the same way, you know, I'm I'm am I right in uh assuming that you're both straight men?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:29

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:30

Okay. You know that you are straight men, despite the fact that you've never tried sucking dick, right? Right. You don't have to have gone all the way to know something about your sexual identity. And so that one just really stood out to me that well, you're just doing it for attention.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:46

Yeah. Yeah. You're just you're just out of the closet because out of the closet's cool. Right. Um, that's that was a good uh comparison too.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:54

It's like you don't have to try it to know that you like it or don't like it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:03

Wow, cool. Well, what what is uh I didn't do the math along the way. What what's y'all's final score?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:09

So with my edits that I was making in real time, I think I only edited two. I'm at a 69.5, which again does I know, nice, um does not reflect. I feel like maybe I was too strict on the rubric, or maybe I was looking at it like objectively, because a lot of these say things like broad audience, right? Not genus specific. So I came out with 69.5 just by the objective numbers, but I would probably give this special like because again, the teacher background, like that's an F. That's that's failing, right? A 69. Anything below 69. I would give this an A, like probably an A minus. And again, I think it's so much because I'm her target audience. Like I'm absolutely her target audience for this whole special. So I would absolutely yeah, recommend. But my raw score is a 69.5.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:05

That's fair. And yeah, this this rubric like isn't the school rubric in terms of like a 69 out of 100 is well above the majority. That the goal was to make like 40 or 50 the average. Okay, so she's above average, you know. For sure. But Brian, what's what's your score?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:24

So I my raw score, as Gina put it, it was a 68.5.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:30

Hey.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:31

Look at that. Almost almost with you there. 69 average, if I'm right. Sorry, I interrupted you, Brian. Please go back. That was good. That was quick math, too. Dang it. Anyway. Um, so I did 68.5, but I also gave just because I like the overall special, I like her overall vibe. Um, and because Nick fell in love with her, I gave her an extra seven points, so 75.5.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:02

Wow. Thanks, Brian. I appreciate the the support. Yeah, ain't no problem. You know, we all need to do our part. Anything I could do is get Taylor to call me back. Um my my raw score was well, raw biased score was a 91.5. I was so excited. I'd never rated anybody above a 90 before. Most of mine are like yours, Gina, where they're like below 80. Um, but you got me to take it down to an 89.5. So she's a bit more moderate in my mind. Thank you for taking me down half a pig.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:39

So what is our what is our average out of the three?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:44

I I didn't do that. I don't know that.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:48

Okay, well, we can we we have these things called calculators.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:52

Yeah, but we can't afford the dead air. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:58

I I want there's one other joke that I want to mention. I don't think we mentioned it, which is the I think it you mentioned it in passing, but it was like just that she just really likes confidence, right? I think this is part of that joke, but she was talking about religion, it's towards the end, and she said, you know, like, oh, the people were just like, oh, I was sad, and then I just accept Jesus and everything's all right. She's like, Oh, is that all you did? Oh, okay, all right, yeah, that's good. All right, great. Yeah, like, you know, like basically. So um, I thought that was a good like I forget there was some other reference she made right after that too, but um, I thought that was a good bit that she did.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:36

Some of the comp things that we didn't mention that I think are noteworthy was uh she compared giving birth, like a woman going to a music festival. And then she also hinted at being bisexual or the experience of being bisexual is kind of like the gospel for her. She's like, Have you heard the good news? And You don't have to live this way, you know. Yes. Um it was likely ice cream versus swallowing swords. Oh yeah. Yeah, the comparison. That's right. Um a woman versus going down on a guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:19

What was the thing she said? Uh but I I could have I could have been like a kid at a fair or something. What was it?

SPEAKER_07 1:28:26

Yeah, like I I missed a lot of that because I was too busy writing down the first part that started to make me laugh, but she was like, I could have been at the fair and licking on an ice cream watching someone instead of being the carney. Instead of being the carny and choking down swords for attention.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:42

Yeah. A couple other jokes that I really enjoyed. Um, she called Christmas and Easter recruitment weeks.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:49

Oh, that's yeah, that was yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:52

And yeah, so good. How Easter is like really exciting and and Christmas is pretty boring. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:58

I wrote that one down too that she said Jesus in the story of Christmas is the equivalent of a post-credit scene in a Marvel movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:05

Yes, yes, that was really good.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:09

Which is the pop culture reference. Oh, there you go. Right. Well, she compared something to Twilight. I wrote it down.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:19

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:20

Easter, Easter is basically Twilight Story. Easter is basically twilight.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:24

But don't take that from the Mormons. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:26

I also like the getting on the biblical story. She was saying, Oh, Noah, let's put this in the uh the nursery.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:32

Yeah, this isn't kill everyone.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:37

Everyone, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:40

Yeah, it's good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:42

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:44

Howlerick. 10 out of 10. I I put the double like on this on Netflix.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:49

The double like the double like, wow. You know how there's like you can just like like or really like yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:54

I really liked it. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:56

Which isn't, I mean, it isn't really newsworthy.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:58

That'll help the algorithm. Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:01

Maybe it'll help Taylor find me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:05

Um, yeah, I I wish it had been a little longer. I would have watched a 90-minute.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:11

Yeah. I wish that you know what I wish. I wish that the end joke. I thought the end joke, like she was gearing up for something, but then it was just like just the like the the wardrobe change, and she came out and did a like a little bit from the pulpit. Is that right? It's called. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:25

Sure, it's close enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:26

So anyway, that thing, the raised platform kind of thing. Anyway, she did like one little thing from that and then it ended. Um, and I I I wish that that bit was fleshed out a little bit more. Um, you know, so because it was good. The build-up, but I the video that they made to to go into that was hilarious. Just like it's all spliced together black and white. And then the end has like her eyes, like, you know, like she's like, yeah, it just like light on the glue. Yeah. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:00

I also enjoyed. I hope you guys stayed for the credits. Um, it was a home video. Well, no. So it was her sitting next to someone else from her live shows. Um, because when we went to her live show, she did this as well. It's usually like audience questions or something like that. And it was who in media was like your queer awakening? And hers was Felene. Yes. Um, Bambi.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:22

Complete with a tiny home video of her telling her mom.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:26

It was adorable. Yeah, she said Felene makes her feel like a hot dog in a pan. Uh-huh. And then she said, her mom goes, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:31:33

And she goes, I don't know. Real. Yeah, her mom was like, What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:43

Yeah. Let's move on. Let's pretend that never happened.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:45

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:47

Let's sweep that under the rug. All right. Yeah. Disney's responsible for so many people's awakenings, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:54

Simba. Obviously, the Fox version of Robin Hood.

unknown 1:32:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:00

And Felene, apparently. That I've never heard that one before.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:03

No, that one's a new one to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:07

Alright, y'all. You can keep talking. I'm gonna bounce. Well, do y'all have an outro?

unknown 1:32:14

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:15

No, not really. That's the hardest part is ending the podcast.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:18

If we were famous, we'd be notorious for how bad we are at the end of the day. Right, exactly. Like, see y'all later. No, that's not right.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:24

But also, we do want to thank our guests, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:26

Yes. Thank you, Gina.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:29

Yeah, we really appreciate it. We it's been it's been fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:32

Yeah, thank y'all for having me.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:34

Is is there any self-promotion you want to do?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:37

Is there like a website or like do you do live streams or crafting or anything like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:45

I don't have anything personal to plug, but I have some general like be good people that I could plug. Um it's a midterm elections year. Please go vote.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:55

Um, read more books, support your local public library. Library cards are free. And it doesn't cost anything extra to be done. Go to that.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:06

I love that. Awesome. Well, thanks again. And until next time, see ya. Or not see ya. I always say see you. Why don't I always say see you? It's we've been doing this like three years. Anyway, all right, bye.