SPEAKER_01 0:01

This is last per minute, where we serve up hot takes on comedy legends and rising stars. Every episode features a different guest deigning to be an armchair critic with us, Brian and Nick. Sit back, strap in, and as we butcher our call as we butcher this, as I butcher this, let's sit back and strap in, butcher the callback to our comedy heroes. How you doing, Nick? Wow, that's harder than I thought, Nick. You do a good job of.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

I'm doing so much better now. Thanks. Laughter is the best medicine. Well, today's guest host is Dave the Gamer. He's more than that, but that's how I met him. Uh since Game In Together, we've uh gotten to all kinds of discourse, everything from politics to society and philosophy, ADHD, music, AI, and in the next couple of minutes, comedy. Dave, you you picked a comedian for us. You want to tell us a bit about him and the special and your thoughts there?

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah, so uh first of all, thanks for having me on. Uh we are bringing today uh Shane Gillis, uh, and the special that we're choosing is his live in Austin performance. Uh this performance was kind of a big turning point for Shane. Uh, this is him coming back from getting fired from SNL. It was actually one of his first uh live specials that he made for free for everyone. You can watch the entire special for free on YouTube. So it was really him re-emerging into the public sphere and kind of trying to take back his name and his title.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Nice. Yeah, and there's definitely some uh uh what is it, timely? Not he's got some timeless jokes, but there's also some timely, like he he talks about Trump in the past when he's actually our president, and it is a little we we can get into that. But uh as per usual, we have our evaluation form filled out to varying degrees with our own scoring, and we're going to see how our scores compare to the same event we all witnessed.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

You want to lead us through the form, Brian?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Sure. Yeah, we can I guess start with uh basically the comedic style and subject matter areas, just trying to figure out sort of a little bit of a deep dive in terms of where he's coming from, what style of comedian he is. Um, I had uh a couple things checked there, observational storytelling. Also, I think we've talked about this in other episodes, but we need to add impressions on there, I think, to comedic style, because I don't think we don't have anything in there that shows that. And he definitely does impressions. Well, one main impression. Uh in this special, yeah. At least at least one main impression, which he does a really good job at, and he actually gives you instructions on how to do it yourself, which I really like.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

So um so yeah, I have said character comedy could fall under impression. And I had to check that one.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Yeah, and a little bit of um a little bit of physical comedy. I mean, he's not like slapstick or anything, but I mean he just does some faces, does some some other things like that that you know add to that. So what about you, Dave?

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Uh pretty similar, you know. Uh I also I put character comedy for the sake of his impressions. Uh I also said that he had a little bit there of that that physical comedy uh involved with the storytelling. Uh I like to say it's almost the uh the Italian level of communication. Uh for unfortunately you guys can't see it because you're listening in, but when I talk, I talk with my hands. This is how I communicate. You know, you handcuff me and all of a sudden I'm muted. Uh and you kind of see that when he's in doing his character, when he's doing impressions, when he's being Trump, when he's saying huge, he's he's making the hand gestures for it, which helps get the person into the mode of the character.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

How about you, Nick? I checked, I checked all the same boxes. Um I'd I'd say he's like 80% observational. Like he a lot of times he would just open up with do you ever notice? or you know, what do you think? Like he just sort of looking at the world a weird way and telling us what's behind his eyes, you know? Like so yeah, I think um I think we pretty well nailed that. I'm sure we'll deviate a little bit further on.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

A little a little Seinfeld, uh Seinfeld-ish, you know, just like what's the deal with that? You know, like that kind of stuff. Anyway. Um what about subject matter? Uh Dave, you wanna you want to start with that?

SPEAKER_00 4:52

We Yeah, uh, of course, there's a political subject matter. Uh anytime that you bring in Donald Trump, uh there's a social commentary, a reflection on personal life, a lot of dark humor, uh, ethnic and cultural humor, and then I'm checked marked uh other uh because he does also like to get into history, which I guess would be its own subject matter. I like to put historical comedy. Uh it's also one of his like leading subjects outside of this. Now, I also am, you know, a World War II buff. I've read you know every single book that you can. I enjoy watching Ken Burns for fun and entertainment, so that also speaks to me on another level.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Awesome. Nick, what about you?

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Yeah, I I checked all the boxes. Um Dave read read most of them off. Right. I think there was some where he he would even he would open up with, can you imagine? Uh like even can you imagine what it was like for the person to pitch the Special Olympics?

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yes. Um we should be racing these guys.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Like even he was getting kind of like sheepish about how it's far in the second things.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

I like you know what I like is that in that the is the the impression or that he does, or like the answer that he does about the other person, where the the person is basically like, don't ever say that to anyone, ever.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

Like what did you check, Brian?

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Um, yeah, I had political, of course, social commentary, personal life, uh, you know, all the stories about oh I say all, but like uh a couple stories about his dad, uh, which are which were really funny.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Um sister.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah, and that's right, yeah, sister. Um pop culture, you know, sort of talking about just all the things like that. Um, but I do agree. I didn't, I I sort of missed uh the historical aspect of that, Dave. So that's yeah, that's definitely I I noticed that he does quite a bit of that in not only this, but in other aspects, um, other things that I've seen of his. So um, which is always funny, you know. So all right, Nick, you want to take us into the uh beginning the store the scoring criteria?

SPEAKER_02 7:27

Yeah, so we we've got lots of different topics slash questions on our evaluation sheet now for the rest of this. Well, for the bulk of this. We have some other things later. Uh and generally our points are the best out of ten. There's a few things that are not best out of ten, but on a scale of one to ten, ten being the best. And some aren't weighted as much, so they're like on a scale of one out of five. Uh it all adds up to a hundred points, and we just kind of like to see where they land in total. There's been some famous comedians that I've been surprised at how low they got on this score based on our criteria, and then uh the opposite is true too.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

The first one is laughs per minute. One out of ten. How frequently did the comedian generate laughs? Me personally, I put steady laughs throughout. Like the there there wasn't any dead air. Any everything he intended to be funny was funny. It was as funny as it seemed like it should be, if that makes any sense. Like he had the right kind of pause for laughter and it was filled with um so yeah, it gave him um an eight, though you all might convince me to be higher. What about you, uh Dave?

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Yeah, no, I also went with a strong eight on that topic. Uh uh, there was a few moments where you can kind of tell that he feels like it the joke didn't land as strong as he wanted it to, and he owns up to that saying, Hey, I thought you guys would enjoy that a little bit more. Or, you know, he indicates that maybe that punch wasn't as good as it was supposed to be, but it that also just keeps carrying it through because then the audience responds to that and starts carrying that laughter through.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

Yeah, leans into that observational thought too. Is he's even observing his set, you know, while he's given it.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

I like that. I like that when comedians will do that, just make like a commentary on audience response, or like, um, I once went to see a comedian live and he was trying out new material, so he had like a pad, and I don't even know if he had actual stuff in the pad, but he would like tell the joke and it wouldn't land, and he would be like, take out a pen out of his pocket and just be like, nope. Like, and he would just like you know, and that in and of itself was hilarious. Like, we were like we were like he was getting a better pop on that than he was on the joke that he told, you know what I mean? So um, but it was like a recurring bit because if it didn't hit, he would just be like, Nope, you know, but anyway, um, yeah, so laughs per minute, I did the same thing. I'm I'm sort of in in the same area with you. Study laughs route. I gave him a seven in this. Um, I felt like you know, the the audience was engaged, everything, you know, they they were all with him, and and it was uh he's he's a quick comedian in terms of like as opposed to like a storytelling comedian that tells like a long story that might have like little pauses in there and then like laughs throughout the story. Um he's like more he's not a one-liner either, but he's got like shorter, smaller anecdotes and punch lines like throughout, like pretty quickly. I mean, every 10-15 seconds, he's got something that's like designed to get a laugh out of the audience, and they were and they were hitting. So um, so I think that's what led me to give him a seven there.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

Was there any moment where y'all like laughed out loud when you're listening to watching them?

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Go you want to go, Dave. God, the volleyball shorts, the bit about volleyball shorts kills me every single time.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Yeah. I I I could I like laughed the him telling you how to do a Trump impression, because he's like, all you gotta do is you do this with your hands, you do it like a second after it's supposed to happen in the sentence, and then you say you describe something, and then you describe that what you said. He's like, Man, this but he's like I forget what he said. He's like, this uh such a big ballroom. I walked in and said, Wow, what a big ballroom! And I'm like, that is exactly exactly it's exactly on. There's no I mean, there's there's no deviation there. Like the real guy does that. Trump actually does that, like literally. So so I was like, I think that's just hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

For me, I think the part I left the most was um oh I had it creating dead air. I'm so sorry. So that's all right. Um no, it was the no one racism isn't just like an on or off switch, like it's not just like it's not just not racist or not racist, right? Like, you know, it's more like hunger, you know, and right. It's like if if a cheeseburger cuts you off in traffic, all of a sudden you're hungry. And he like tells the audience, whatever race you imagined was the that's your own personal brand of racism, right there.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Yeah, yeah. And then he follows up like in the at the end of that, he's like, Oh, in that joke, the uh the cheeseburger was Jewish, you know, or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Well, yeah, yeah, he he said that before.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Right, right, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Kidding, there wasn't really a racist. I know exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

So all right, how about content quality? So, how well written were the jokes and the stories? Who wants to start there?

SPEAKER_00 13:01

So I think that um, you know, we're doing this whole like wine tasting type of approach to to this podcast evaluation, and Shane Gillis is more like a strong whiskey, uh, where yeah you're really not you there's some flavor there for sure, uh, but it also burns a little bit. And that's where I think that when we start getting into I don't think Shane Gillis is gonna score that well um unless we really lean into, well, this is Shane Gillis. You know, we're not expecting art form, this is gonna be crude and ugly. Uh so in my opinion, it was a seven. Um, I'm not expecting the most creativity and the most beautiful writing out of Shane Gillis. Um, I don't think he can ever hit to that elegant level of uh material, but it's Shane Gillis. So I think that he just has its own way of delivering things and he's very confident in it, and it's very creatively delivered, you know. The ability to instruct you on how to do a Trump mannerism. That's nobody else is gonna give you that. So a very creative approach.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

I totally agree with that. Um I I uh I did strong creative writing as well. I love the way that you describe that though, that it's you know, there's gonna say, hey, it's there's gonna be some burn. You know, that's uh because that's how you that's I'll talk about it later. But uh yeah, it's one of the things that I wrote about like in my sort of comments at the end. Actually, I can just go talk about it now. It's like um I said I said he how I like I like how he goes down some paths that at the beginning feel like they can't be funny, and then he makes them funny. And to me, that's the burn you're talking about is like there's almost a at the beginning of a joke, a little bit of like, uh, okay, am I gonna be allowed to laugh at this? Is that and then two seconds later you're laughing because he makes it funny, you know? And so uh, you know, I think that's the that's that's creative. That's and that's also delivery and everything else. Um, I give him a seven out of ten on that.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

I mean, if if if we're allowed to piggyback on things, I don't know about yeah, but I think that's exactly like what you're talking about that guilt of laughing at Shane Gillis. Yes, you know, like I don't take my wife to a show with Shane Gillis, you know what I mean? Like I will take the boys to go see Shane Gillis, but I'm not taking my wife. Yeah. Um, there's that guilt to it, and I feel like that's why he did not do as well on his appearances, such as Saturday Night Live, he doesn't perform as well publicly as when you're watching that clip on TikTok. That's why he did so well on social media. When it's just you, your phone, and you feel like you can actually laugh at this without being judged for thinking that this is funny. Yeah, that's where Shane Gillis shines. Yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

I gave him an eight. I gave him an eight. I like the truncated storytelling style where he just sort of like points at ideas in a particular order and and then it becomes the punchline. Like I uh it doesn't even have to speak in full sentences necessarily, it just uh lands for me, it resonates for me. So I I gave him uh a point more than you guys. Nice concepts.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Yeah. All right, let's move on to uh performance and delivery. So um and in you know, in addition to the content, so how effective was the comedian's stage presence and delivery? Uh why don't you start us out, Dave?

SPEAKER_00 16:20

I gave him an eight. Uh Shane Gillis just has been dominating the room for the last few years. Uh he's really engaging, he's incredibly confident. There is nobody else but Shane Gillis. Everyone's trying to be Shane Gillis, but you can't be Shane Gillis. So just the way that he performs is is his own unique style. He owns it, he's authentic with it. Is he going to be the best there ever was? Is he the goat? No, but he's Shane Gillis. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Shane Gillis is the best Shane Gillis that'll ever be.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Exactly. What about you, Nick?

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Uh I gave him a seven because there were parts where he he seemed just a little too sheepish. You know, when when he probably could have shoulda leaned in a little bit. Like there's a way you can lean in to your absurdist and dark humor, and people know you're not a real true believer, you know, like and I think he was a little worried about being branded or something, so he was he kind of tiptoed around some things, and I think it diminished um his presence and his performance. But yeah, again, that's like I'm giving him a seven out of ten. That was a small thing. Um you know, knowing you know, that context that you have today that this was sort of his comeback um set, you know, to get back into his own fame and whatnot, like I would imagine he would be a bit nervous and kind of have things on the line and not want to get cancelled right out the gate. Um so yeah, I'm I like my seven.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Nice. Uh well first thing I'll say is I was gonna talk a little bit about um the you know, uh when a comedian's on stage and he can feel the audience pulling away from like, you know, like that initial thought. And I like the way Pete Holmes deals with it. Like, we haven't done Pete Holmes yet on this podcast, but um, he will just instruct the audience, like, I can feel you pulling away from me right now, stay with me. Like he's just like he literally like tells him, like, stay with me. Like, I know you I can feel his I think his exact words are I can feel your assholes puckering up right now, but you know, so you know, he's like basically he instructs the audience, like, hey, you know, like stay with me. Shane Shane is a little bit different in that way, but um, but I think that's what he senses. Like he he's he's good at I love comedians that can bring an audience up to the brink of like losing an audience and then bring them back. So like I've always said, Bill Burr is that. Bill Burr can make an audience almost hate him and then bring them all the way back from that, all the way back around. One thing, and then and then all of a sudden they're they're they're laughing again, and now they love him again. And it's like it's and that like toying with the audience is like a master. That's a master comedian at work, you know? And so um anyway, I gave him a seven, uh, engaging and confident there, uh performance and delivery. Just I think he's he's got a stage presence, um, not perfect, but uh, but also you know, he's up there, he's standing and delivering and uh and making the making the laps come. So, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Dave, what'd you put for audience engagement?

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Uh for audience engagement, uh, I had uh three. Um I think that he has a strong engagement. Uh I think that he got the audience invested. Uh, but as I mentioned earlier, you know, this is him getting back into the swing of things. I don't think he's knocking him out of the park every single time. Uh, but he's there, he's performing well. Um, the audience is definitely invested. You know, I'm I would bet if if I was there, I wouldn't be looking around seeing a lot of people on their phones. Um, but you know, I I don't think this is his Jordan performance uh of of all time. Uh but I think that he did a fantastic job. So I gave him a solid three.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Brian, you want to go?

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Yeah, sure. Um I was I was at a three as well. Um, I felt like the audience was there. I have a hard time with this this uh category, and part of the reason why is because every time we're watching something, we're watching something where the audience went to go see the headliner. They're there to see the person, they're fans, right? So so it's like, are they gonna be engaged? I hope so. If if your fans aren't engaged, then like you're sort of screwed, you know what I mean? So um, like, because they're there to see you. Like they had some stupid warm-up comedian that came on before them and uh tried to warm up the crowd, and they're like, hey, we don't care about you. Get bring Shane on. Like, we want to see Shane, we're here to see Shane, you know? And so uh, so anyway, I still think though he had a strong engagement. Um, you know, three. I gave him a three out of five on that.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

I gave him a four out of five. Um, because anytime for for one, he's given this set in Austin, and there's a lot of like conservative jokes. He's he's touching on some touchy topics like racism and um so like and it's like the blue the blue jewel in the in a red ocean of Texas. Um but then like anytime the camera cut to the audience, there were there would be like a group of guys there, and three or four out of five would just be keeled over, like buried in their hands, laughing and convulsing and you know, cracking up. So I I felt that energy and I gave it four out of five.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Nice. All right. You want to go on to diversity of material? Uh Another score out of five. Did the comedian cover a range of topics? We've already sort of talked about this a little bit in the subject matter, but um you want to uh Nick, you want to take that one on first?

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Yeah, mine's quick. Five out of five. Because of the reason you just gave. Like I checked every box under subject matter. You know, like he it was all over the place, but I didn't I didn't feel any whiplash, you know, so it was just it was just good.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Nice. Okay. How about you, Dave?

SPEAKER_00 22:28

I also gave him a five. Um, you know, as I was reading this, uh, I don't think that I was a little confused about this uh rating in general. Um, I don't think he has the most range for sure. You know, he kind of goes to Trump and Fox News and back to Trump, and then, you know, but then he'll go way out of field and be talking about Special Olympics and volleyball. Yeah. He has the ability to transverse those topics, but he plays in what he's comfortable with. Um, and there was definitely no stagnation. So I I feel a little confused about the rating, uh, but definitely, you know, he had a diversity of materials to play with.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I um I actually I originally gave him a two, but Nick, you convinced me to bump it up, so I'm gonna bump it up to a three. I feel like he did have a pretty balanced matter. The uh I guess it'll come back or come later when I want to talk about. Let's see, what can I talk about? Yeah. Um the diversity of materials there. I think he had like a relatively good balance. Uh, he's not the like you said, he's not the most widely varied in terms of um subject matter, even though he covers a wide variety of subject matter types. It seems like it feels like he covers less subjects. Maybe, maybe, maybe I should put it that way. Like in this, it feels like he covers less subjects than he actually did. But when you start looking at it, you start to go, okay, you know, he's got like heroin addiction in his sister, he's got his Fox News dad, he's got uh Alabama football, he's got uh Special Olympics, he's got, you know, like Trump, he's got Civil War, he's got I mean, you start looking at it and you go, holy crap, like there's a lot in here, but it doesn't feel like as many, if that makes sense. Like when you're listening to it, it doesn't feel like I think that maybe was what you meant when you said you didn't have whiplash. Uh just like you know, it felt like less. And then when you but like I said, when you start to like, I guess take the wine tasting approach uh that you know that we're talking about, Dave, uh that that you go and you dive a little deeper and you go, oh yeah, it's it's uh it's good. But I'm still gonna I think I'm gonna stick with the three on that one.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

What about you, Nick? You want to start? Um how about this? Impact and memorability. Uh was this per a performance that sticks with you and it's out of ten?

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Yeah, I'd say I'm six out of ten. There's definitely some moments that I'll repeat or that'll pop in my head after this is over. Um but not not more than three or four.

SPEAKER_03 25:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

That's how I put it. Yeah. How about you, Dave?

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Uh I gave him a seven. Uh I think that also we have to understand that this is becoming a new generation of of podcast of comedy. Um when we look at Shane Gillis and his performance, very rarely are people getting exposed to the entire stand-up routine. Most of the time, they're gonna find this on TikTok, they're gonna find this on YouTube Shorts, they're gonna be catching that glimpse of it. Um, and I think that we do have a lot of good moments in here for those clips to be made from. Uh once again, volleyball shorts is one of my favorites. You know, every single time that I'm watching women's volleyball at a Buffalo Wild Wings, that immediately comes into my head. So to me, it is a very strong memorable set. So I gave them a seven.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Nice watch women's volleyball.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Only at Buffalo Wild Wings. I was gonna say, out of Buffalo Wild Wings. It's gotta be out of Buffalo Wild Wings, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Excuse me, sir, my shorts are down here.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Oh, that's hilarious. All right. Um, so I I gave a uh six out of ten. Um I think I think I probably could be like bump up a little bit on that, but um, I don't know that it rises to the level of a seven, but uh so that's why I'm sticking with the six. But um, I don't want to do six, seven. Please don't, Nick.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Oh, six, seven. Don't do it. You gotta do it. It's the only way to ruin it. If you want to stop, you gotta embrace it.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

And I was like, oh no, oh no, Nick is gonna do it. He's gonna do it. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Just say six and a half.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

That's six and a half. Okay, we're gonna do six and a half on that, if if at the maximum, okay. Um no, but I actually this I had and the funny thing is what I was saying to you to Dave before we got on is um, you know, I I had seen this before, but I didn't know I had seen it before because I had seen this all in pieces, and just like you were talking about, like TikTok and uh YouTube Shorts and all this stuff, I had seen all of these bits or on XM. Like I listened to the XM comedy channel, and they just play parts of specials, and so I had seen or heard all of these, just not in the order that it was here, because I hadn't listened to the whole thing, I hadn't never seen the actual special. So when I got into it, I was like, I've heard all these jokes before. Um, but it was, you know, like I said, packaged in a 45, 48 minute set, you know? So but I but very memorable. Um, yeah, something that I'll like that can be triggered in my brain, you know, as I move along in life. So all right, let's talk about callbacks. Did the comedian effectively use callbacks? Um how about Dave? You want to start with that one?

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Uh once again, I am not a wine connoisseur as you gentlemen. I am taking shots of whiskey. Um and I gave him a solid four. I I think that you know he's not gonna be the goat with a smooth performance. This was him getting back in shaking off the dust. Um, but you know, just you'd be going along and all of a sudden just boom hits you with it. So uh I think that they were they were well timed, they were well executed. I don't think they were the greatest shots in the world, but they were definitely making those baskets.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Yeah, absolutely. Nick, you want to follow up?

SPEAKER_02 28:33

Sure. I'd I'd say there's a few callbacks. Like he mentioned his Fox News dad throughout, you know, he mentioned Trump throughout. There weren't quite callbacks though. Um and I think there was somewhere towards the end where he said, What a what a terrible set to what a terrible end to the set. And then he does like he summarizes the last two jokes in like the worst way, yes you know, a little bit of self-deprecating humor, uh but also yet another observation. Um so yeah, pretty pretty low on the use of callbacks and really kind of even the effectiveness. I'd I'd give him a three out of five. Um, I'll give him a two out of five. I didn't want to penalize him if he's not a callback type of comedian, but yeah, yeah. He's so strong everywhere, I'll just give him a two.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

His callbacks, the ones that I caught were pretty subtle. Um I just I give him a three out of five here, just some effective callbacks. He did, I mean, when he was, you know, he did the impression of you know, how to do the impression of Trump, and then later when he was imitating Trump, he did the same thing, like he did this the same thing from that joke. So, you know, things like that, um, which I think are like relatively subtle um until you go, you know, sort of back up and go, oh, okay, yeah, let's call back to that previous one. Um hits of oak, the subtle, subtle undertone of chest. Um yeah, anyway. Um, and I did forget, let's I'm trying to think if there's a place, another place for me to talk about this. Um I mean, I have to bring up, we haven't brought in it, we haven't brought brought in, we haven't, we haven't brought it up, but the the whole like bit about Alabama football is just like hilarious. He's talking about because he's talking about racism and he's talking about that, and he's like, all these people are like uh, you know, he's talking about like, oh yeah, when they integrated, and then he's like, Yeah, then you find out it was 1971, you know, and you're like, yeah, we shouldn't be high-fiving about that, like guys, you know, and all this stuff. And then, but then I think that the the ultimate like uh sort of like uh punchline for the thing is um you know when he starts talking about trans people and he's like you know, basically comes to the conclusion at the end and says, Yeah, you know, if you want to be accepted as a group of people, you just have to be able to set up a good uh football team. And if you can set up a good football team, then you can, you know, and I just thought I thought that was hilarious. Um, just like tying those two things, try you know, tying those two things together. Uh, because he started out as like, you know, talking about integration, racism, and then you know, tied it to something that was a more modern topic that is in the news and people are talking about, you know. Um and yeah, I think that's it. Uh callbacks, yeah. Three out of five. I already gave that. Okay. Um all right. Number eight, style qual style quality. How effective was the comedian's style? Uh Nick, why not you start us with that one?

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Out of ten, eight out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

You know what? Nine out of ten. I'm changing it to nine out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Nice.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

He you know, he's he's the best Shane Gillis will ever be.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Dave, how about you?

SPEAKER_00 32:06

I mean, I'm just gonna go with a with a ten out of ten, you know. Um Shane Gillis is got one style, and it's Shane Gillis. He's unapologetic, he's going to come in, and now no, that not everyone's gonna like him. Like I said, I don't take my wife to a Shane Gillis show. There's a lot of other comedians I'll take my wife too. He's not everyone's cup of tea. But he knows his style, he's authentic with it, and he's going to consistently be that way.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Yeah. But I think also Mark of a good comedian, though. You know what I mean? Like, if if uh I mean there there are people who are playing vanilla and are like, hey, we want to be good for the masses, but like I don't know. I just feel like some of the most funny comedians are the ones that are like somewhat divisive, you know. Um, and that just makes their fans that much more diehard and that much more into it, you know. Um but yeah, I have I uh I gave a seven and a half. Um I know we I I think in one of our previous episodes we decided we can do whatever we want. So I'm gonna do seven and a half. Um also none of this really matters. Like we can do whatever we want. This is like, you know, this is this is just like a sheet that I'm holding up here that that's nobody's gonna come arrest me, I hope. Um but yeah, no, I think he did an awesome job. Um, I think same thing. I think he's he has he's his own thing, you know, he's his own style. Um he's similar to other comedians in some ways, but very, very different in other ways. So it's it, you know, it's one of those things where all right, good, that's unique. You know, that's that's his him being unique about it. So um all right. How about timing and pacing? This is out of five. Uh was the pacing effective for humor delivery? Uh Nick, you want to start?

SPEAKER_02 33:53

Since we can do whatever we want, 3.57 out of five.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

3.57, 3.57 repeating.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

No, just 3.57. Don't don't add to my score. This is my score, not yours. Um so that puts it, you know, between inconsistent timing and strong, well-timed delivery. I think some of that going back to him being a bit cheapish, where there's there were some parts where there's like some starts and stops. Um but leaning towards the four, right? It was definitely a strong, well-timed delivery. And there was just a few speed bumps that weren't intended. Didn't seem intended.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Dave, how about you? Uh I I'm gonna say uh four. Um because I think that they are being pretty well timed. I think that, you know, Nick might be reading too much between the lines there, trying to find the tannins that don't exist when you know Shane Gillis' style is just how it is. Uh the timing isn't perfect, the engine doesn't run perfectly. There are a lot of misfires. Uh, I I like Shane. I definitely don't think that he's somebody on that normal brain wave pattern. Uh, so I think that there's just going to be some inconsistencies with his timing in general. Uh, but I think that for him, for his style, for this authenticity, that he was on with his style and it was well timed.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

I bring you into my house and you disagree with me, you disrespect me from my audience.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

That 3.75 or 7.7, whatever it was.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Well, I had uh I was I think I was around the same place you guys are. You uh you had a 3.57 and then a four. I'm at a 3.5. Uh so I'm right, I was right between I I don't like it's funny. Some of these things, I look at my own score sheet that I made up and I'm like, who made this stupid thing up? Um because inconsistent time it goes from not bat not great either to inconsistent timing, from inconsistent timing to strong, well-timed delivery. Like I I need to work on that. Anyway, um that's neither here nor there, though. So anyway, three and a half. I think I think the pacing was good. I think um I think you you'd be hard pressed to find specials. Just if you watch a bunch of comedy comedic specials, to find one that it has perfectly paced, like that is like the masterpiece of you know, perfect balance between how much time is between laughter and the way the jokes hit and the structuring of it and things like that. I have noticed that some specials, if you cut them up and watch them out of order, they it's almost like watching a movie out of order. Like you wouldn't take like scene 10 and then watch scene four and then watch scene 12 and then see watch scene eight. You know, you're not gonna know what the is the movie's about. And so there's certain comedians that it makes a huge difference. With his, it's not. It is built for like like you said, Dave, um, TikTok and you know, cutting those up into pieces. And I I bet you part of that is, and you can maybe talk a little bit more about this, Dave, but the fact that he his background and his strength is is sketch, um, more so potentially more so than stand-up. And I think that's why maybe his comedy, his stand-up come out comes out that way a little bit, because sketch is like a one-off thing. It's like, hey, you can watch this sketch and you're you know, so I don't know, you want to expand on that, Dave?

SPEAKER_02 37:30

He's sketching more ways than one.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

Yeah, um, I mean, as as we look at how Shane Gillis has evolved throughout the years, he definitely started in doing stand-up, so that's that's where he started, you know, working his way up the ranks. But you didn't really see him blow up until he went to uh Saturday Night Night Live, had a controversy, got fired from Saturday Night Live, and we can touch more on this later. I don't want to give everybody you can you can look it up, you can Google it. Um, but after he got fired from uh Saturday Night Live, he had to really kind of rebrand himself and he started his own sketch comedy, and it just blew up, and it showed his ability to uh really take off and be an independent and show his style so much that when they brought him back for Saturday Night Live, even the executives were like, oh, we screwed up, we shouldn't have let this guy go. Um, so he definitely just put his title out there. I can't imagine anybody else portraying Trump in any other sketch than Shane Gillis. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Yeah, agreed. His his uh yeah, his impression is really good and spot on.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

My uh my SNL experience or recollection of him is more to do with uh him having follow-up questions and HR training. And confusing interpersonal relationships with PTO benefits. And he's like, if if Susan rejects, or if I ask Susan and she says yes, can I bank it? And transfer it over to Becky?

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember that. This is good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

Maybe that was after the controversy. I don't know the chronology of the skits, but anyway.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

Well, uh, okay, I think we all we all got through timing and pacing. Um what about physical comedy? Um Dave, you want to start? How well did they use physical elements in their comedy?

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Uh, you know, he doesn't have any props. He's he's not going to be doing that. So, I mean, using this this ranking system, I gave him a two because it's it's really not going to make or break his performance. Yeah. Um, he doesn't really use any props. He's not going to be physically engaging with the audience. He's not pulling somebody up there, you know, putting his hand on their head or anything. But when he's talking, he's communicating, he's using his hands to communicate and to like almost enunciate the words that he's saying. Yeah. So I gave him a two, but I don't really think that it's fair to his performance style, uh, but that's the rating I gave him.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

Yeah. I think right on. I gave him a two also. Um I you know, looking back on it though, there's there's the uh the fa facial expressions and some other things like the you're you know in the volleyball joke when he's like uh I'm there with the other uncles, and he's like, uh, you you guys you guys seeing the shit? You know, like you know, like just like just like in his face is sort of like you know, just like in a I don't know, just like I can't describe it for those of you who can't see it, but anyway.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

Um some of the poses he's making when he's talking about uh Special Olympics. Yes, and him coaching and Hooter sponsorship.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

Uh-huh. Right, exactly. Exactly. Um, but no, I think you're right. I think I think that the physical comedy and the facial expressions, things like that did did enhance, but you could tell those jokes without them, and they would still be funny. I think they just enhanced them just enough to get that much more out of them. So um I give them a two out of five. Again, same same with you with you, Dave, not a reflection on uh overall performance.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Nick? Three out of five. I think the the times that he did those mannerisms, they almost were essential.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

Just like yeah, making reference to how he looks like he could have been one of the kids that spend the Olympics and then the faces in the like I said, one of my favorite things he does is like imitate the other person reacting to the thing he so like he was like other coach on the other side looking like I I think they got I think they got one of them coaching the the team or something over there, you know. Like he's it's like a third third party to a third party or something. I mean it's just like you know what I mean, like an outside party to an outside party, like kind of thing. Um, which I think it just I don't know why it makes that just makes me laugh. I think it's funny.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Um so we we react to reactions, yes, right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

That's what we should have named the podcast, you know.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

React to reactions, we we react that's all we're doing on this podcast. Exactly. We're spending more time discussing the special than this time the special took.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Right. All right. Um, how about relatability? Did the material resonate with a broad audience? Dave, I'll I'll go to you first on that.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

I I mean it's Austin in Texas, uh, so you gotta be able to be related to people because you've got all types of people there, you know. Yeah, you've got one of the bluest cities and the reddest states, um, you know, and he he doesn't shy away from any topics, he doesn't pull any punches, he just lets it go out there. So I gave him a strong eight out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

Nice. Uh Nick, you want to go?

SPEAKER_02 42:44

I did the same as Dave in this regard. I think he he picked on both sides when it comes to politics. He definitely leans towards picking on uh conservatives. Uh but you know, like you'd also say, um you know, you want you want your dad to be a fox dad, but you don't want your mom to be a fox mom. Right. She's she's doing angry stuff and chain smoking in the house. Like you nobody wants that. I think uh you don't want a blue you don't want a blue dad because he's over there cutting his tofu, talking about how we should have more solar panels. It's like wouldn't my is my dad gay? Yeah, like no one wants no one wants that.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

It's like we yeah, we're just gay. He's like, we we don't all we talk about is uh always what was he saying he's like we hate the environment and we I forget what else we talk about fracking? Fracking and easy blessing. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But no, I think um yeah, I give I give him a little bit lower score than you did six, but um uh but I also think it's interesting because um one of the things that one of the other comments I had is I feel like if you have a good sense of humor, because he does a lot of political stuff and like it's real easy. Like there are some political comedians where like if you don't if you're not on that side, that quote unquote side, then it's potentially not going to be funny. Right. Um Lewis Black, I mean Lewis Black is like unabashedly like uh very liberal and you know, I think I don't think a I can't see a very conservative person going to a Lewis Black show and being like, oh this he's hilarious, you know? Um I feel like if you have a good sense of humor with Shane, uh you can still laugh at the political portions of this special. And like um I I also think this what I was laughing at when you're talking about like picking on both sides is dude uh seriously uh the the the punchline was something like uh the first president who can be punch assassinated just the phrasing just the phrasing of it is I was like punch assassinated that's hilarious like you know sometimes it's the way someone says something and I'm just like but even that's like it's like who cares which side you're on you're like hey I think it's pretty much universally accepted that Biden was uh you know was uh was was for sort of feeble and uh getting old at the end and everything like that. Um and I think he's just making a comment on that, you know and um and so uh you know especially right after of doing a bunch of stuff about Trump and then turns around and says but also you know Biden you know so a little bit of like I guess equal uh equal picking on if you will um but still I think it can be relatable to to everyone in the audience and um I'm trying to think. Oh that's the other thing I said in here he also doesn't really let you know I mean I sort of know what his quote unquote side is you know just based on other things but within this special he doesn't really let you know what side he is like he's sort of making fun of like you said to your to you to what you said Nick sort of making fun of both sides and the way he's delivering those things about Trump it's like you're like does he like Trump or does he not like Trump? Like is he doing this as an homage or is he does he not does he hate the guy? You know so it there I mean you could probably figure it out but like my point is I think that's how he gets to that point you know so anyway um yeah six out of ten.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

All right innovative techniques did the comedian bring something unique uh something new or unique um Nick you want to start us out there yeah I gave him a six out of ten some fresh ideas you already mentioned how it's it's not often that you hear someone uh give an instructional tutorial on how to impersonate someone and it'd be so effective in such a short period of time and just some of his observations were like yep I've never thought of things in that context before I've never heard anyone describe it. Some good stuff I like the I like seeing things in a different light and he he gave that to me on a lot of counts.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 47:03

Dave how about you all right so here's where we're we're kind of we're ranking the special versus the comedian. That's right. So if I was to say specifically this special I'm giving it a six out of ten. It was kind of some fresh ideas but nothing to me that said this is amazing. This is you know redefining comedy in this special but as a comedian I would definitely give him a 10 because we've seen that Shane Gillis is kind of that new evolution of what comedians are you know he reached that pinnacle of what a stand up comedian would consider previously that goalpost of being on SNL and before he even got on SNL he got canceled. So you know he said something racist on a podcast ten years ago big surprise I know this guy, right? And he got cancelled from SNL which typically means you've hit the point and then your door is just cut out from underneath you. But to watch his story and to go from okay you had the the top you got fired from it to build himself back to become one of the biggest names again in the industry definitely took a lot of work. It definitely took taking comedy and bringing it to a new height uh via you know Joe Rogan and Kill Tony but he really was that first person to break through that barrier to get past the SNL to to launch his own sketch comedy so I think as a comedian he definitely redefined comedy as we know it today.

SPEAKER_01 48:31

Yeah absolutely um I gave him a uh five out of ten here um some fresh ideas I think uh at and I think you hit it right on the head this is not um not the material not the it's just sort of like is the and the special itself is it unique or anything and it's pretty standard straightforward um you know in terms of and we'll get into the next one the cinematic quality and the how it was shot um but pretty standard straightforward stand up set um about the same time you know 48 minutes um and uh you know I I thought one of the things I thought was um uh innovative technique and this gets a little bit into the cinematic quality but the way this begins so like there's no usually it's like welcome to the stage Shane Gillis and like you know you have a traditional and they come out on the stage and all the stuff and this just dropped you in. Like I I had to like go back a couple times because I'm like did I miss is this cut is this like the cut the beginning cut off or something of this or like because it's just like you just all of a sudden there's a comedian and he's telling a joke and you're like okay did I like I said I had to like double take it a couple times because I'm like oh no this is how it's supposed to be so so I thought that was pretty innovative um you know and uh something that's new something I haven't seen before at least so uh a little bit of creativity there um but it did throw me for a loop a little bit so yeah all right last last thing before we get into like our favorites and things like that cinematic quality so how well was the performance filmed and edited did the edit it sorry I have to always I always I have to throw edited it in at every every episode just uh just I have to I have to throw it out to Pete Holmes you know anyway everyone knows you're a super fan of Pete Holmes except for you Bryan I I know exactly exactly um I guess I'll start here so uh as I said the the the interesting beginning um I thought that the camera angle between the heads of the audience members so like you just like literally it's like somebody was like spying at him through the stage and then there's like a head a shadow of a head and a shadow of a head like that kind of I think that was done obviously intentionally to to try to make you feel like you were an audience member like oh you're look you're like this is what your view would be if you were at the show you know um it was a it was okay but I I think maybe a little bit distracting uh but I did give this uh a three out of five uh enjoyed the way that it looked so how about you Nick or Dave Okay well see this is a confusing rating system because you say I enjoyed the way it looked and then four it says filming and editing was not a distraction so I went with four uh because uh I can't taste the tannins man I'm just slamming back shots of whiskey and watching Shane Gillett so uh to me I didn't see anything that really stood out I agree with you that they do drop you into it.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

I mean strong start talking about the age of consent that's what you're gonna leave with like oh my gosh no other comedian's gonna come in and say hey we're gonna talk about the age of consent in the first 30 seconds of this once it this dude's not afraid of getting canceled. So yeah there was some editing there uh and I thought that was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

And that bit that bit was like the guy's like well how come I have to go first on this well this is a hard one to go first on guys wait come on he's like I don't know 13 they're like wow gross oh dude it's just like okay I can't believe I'm laughing at age of consent right now.

SPEAKER_02 52:11

Anyway um go go ahead Nick I I agree that it was you know well shot and edited um I I had the same sort of thought like is this this the special or not? Like maybe it yeah maybe it's an hour and a half long special and this is just the last half or something.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

Right.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

I stuck with it and figured it out that okay this is like the preview the the uh the preface so you know what you're getting into. Like if you can't handle this joke you you should why not listen to the rest. That's a pretty good way to put it yeah um the uh the other thing you know I've often with our previous episodes commented like I don't usually like it when the camera cuts to the audience.

SPEAKER_03 52:57

You know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

But just something about what they did with this maybe it's because they they did a good job of picking the people who are really enjoying themselves or um you know making use of the the long laugh the if the audience is laughing like crazy the comedian can't continue. Yeah. He's gotta wait for that to die down before he finishes the rest of the joke and not um so it gives us something to do and it just I don't know just something about that worked. So I gave it a four out of five.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

Nice yeah and uh props to Dave for pointing out that my score sheet is stupid. I got some I got some work to do. Anyway um all right so let's go on to a couple things before we do our calculation and sort of summarize everything else. So what was your favorite joke or bit in the special I think Dave I mean you already sort of mentioned yours but do you have any other besides the volleyball shorts?

SPEAKER_00 53:53

I mean anything about the Fox News dad the Fox News mom just makes me crack up uh as he's talking about his dad watching Fox News you can almost visually see it as he talks about it.

SPEAKER_01 54:05

Yeah um and just maybe it's a little personal preference having you know grown up in uh in that type of region I grew up in a real rural environment uh it just brings me straight back and makes me laugh my ass off yeah I like his I like his description of like just he's like such a such a weird he's like he's just drunk taking in the news like you know just like such a weird way to like take in world events like just like you know him just sort of having that uh that commentary on that and uh I like also that he asks his dad like so tell me what's going on in the world is like you you want you want to know you want to know all right it's uh I mean uh Nancy Pelosi's a bitch you know like it's just like it's like that that's all you can come up with after watching eight hours of Fox News like you know just like gosh anyway um how about you Nick you know I've already forgotten what it was but I feel like we talked about it before you want me to take you want me to take over and you while you remember yeah do it so dude the his sister first of all talking about his sister being on heroin and like his sister going down like falling asleep in the water before she's about to go down a water slide and he's just talking about I think funny like just the idea of like well I didn't want her to feel bad before her intervention so I actually took her to Six Flags just so that it wouldn't be like you know and uh and then him saying like well I thought definitely they'd stop her. I mean she's in pajama pants and a Steelers jersey she dusted off her best Heinz ward for this you know like stuff like that like this the this the way that he's delivering those lines made it hilarious. I the one thing I'll say is I I I was as I was listening to that I said I'm glad that he said at the end that she's clean now because I was like okay that almost like gave the audience like it was like you know how we were talking about guilt for laughing like it it almost gave the audience like okay I was okay for laughing at that because she's fine now like she didn't die of a heroin overdose you know like because that would have been the worst if she he did all this stuff and he's like yeah she died heroin overdose like oh jeez thanks a lot like now I now I just laughed my ass off at at your sister who you know who is having problems with drugs and uh you know uh I didn't get that payoff so she you know I've like I said I'm glad he said yeah she's fine now she's good so um yeah okay Nick what else yeah I'm still blanking I have to I'll have to just look back at whatever we said early in the recording when when we talked about laughs per minute I just I casually had asked each of us we went around like talking about our two parts and I I unloaded my clip there I don't remember what I said I don't remember which one I was I even skimmed through the transcript and it's it's gone it's lost to the record record I have to go back to it. Um yeah well what about what about what was the most retellable joke this is this always gets me too by the way because some some jokes it's like uh there's that old bit that uh I think it's Chris Rock does a bit where he talks about you're gonna try to retell this joke or no it might not be Chris Rock. Somebody it's I can't remember which comedian but he talks about you're gonna go to the office try to retell this joke and it's not gonna work. Like you're you can't do it you know and so that's the funny thing to me is like there are certain jokes where I'm like oh that's hilarious but like can you imagine trying to describe that to someone like you get on a zoom call and there's five minutes before and you're trying to relay to them some kind of like a bit and you're like yeah and then he's it's Alabama football and it was 1971 and that's it and you're like they're like what are you talking about? Like just come off like a crazy person, you know so anyway.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

I think the one that I could retell with some caveats uh like I would I would sort of put my own spin on it but it'd be the one about Oceans 11 and how that could have been a two minute movie. Like I I'd quote them up to that point and then I could like fill in the blank and make it as you know age appropriate as I need or want or mixed company appropriate as I need or want and still make the joke work.

SPEAKER_01 58:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:22

It wouldn't take any time at all for hot women to seduce security guards into right giving up the goods and the keys and the security codes.

SPEAKER_01 58:31

Yeah. How about you Dave what's what's your most retellable joke you there's probably some you retell already I I would imagine oh man the the one thing that stands out and I don't think it's a joke it's the instructions. Yes uh you know just uh what a big room this is I walked in here and it said wow what a big room exactly yes yes it's it's like it's like he gave you a kit to do your own Trump impersonation or impression and uh it's like and and it's like such an easy kit it's like the it's like the old thing that hey I'm gonna teach you how to speak Spanish and it's like all you have to do is spell the word socks like SOCKS you know and it's like S O C S oh that's a Spanish sentence SOCKS you know and there used to be this thing that was like we're gonna teach you how to do it. It's like that it's like he just gave you like the little like magic key to like do your own Trump impersonation or impression to to you know to people um because that's the same one that I had too Dave I was like I'm definitely using that you know like just wow that's a lot of homeless yeah the tense why why why why why is this homeless yeah so um all right you want to do final calculation I don't know if you guys calculated yours out or no eighty one eighty one nice okay we we didn't tell Dave that we could do this yeah you if you don't like the score by the end you you do what you want with it. Yeah my technical score was 73.57 I bumped him up with three more points because like Shane Gillis was the only Shane Gillis will ever be I like the guy I feel like we're probably got similar personalities so he's a he's a 76.57 Yeah all right I had him as a uh the base score was a 63 but I'm adding 10 because I've just feel great about this episode and I feel great about Shane Gillis. So 73. Yeah this is when this is when the uh rubber hits the road and you can go hey we don't have to matter yeah point the points don't matter this is this is a game we're playing with ourselves so who cares anyway crazy exactly yeah um well yeah so that's awesome well I think that's about all we have uh first of all thank you Dave for agreeing to come on very very enjoyable I always love it when somebody comes on and they clearly love this comedian you know they clearly love the comedian that we're talking about and has you know are familiar with it obviously you're familiar with the history and everything else and we can tell that so really appreciate you coming on and sharing all that with us.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

It's it was a fun fun time yeah I mean uh you know I don't always agree with everything that he's he's ever said but uh just having a comedian who's who's willing to go uh you know he's really redefined what comedy is these days he's he's had ups he's had downs you know he got SNL he got fired from SNL he got back to SNL he made his own TV show I mean he's got right one right now in tires um he's he's the next generation in my opinion of comedians um what I like about Shane Gillis is he went through that Rogan uh killed Tony's fear and you see a lot of comedians that come out of it they're kind of just propped up by Joe Rogan and they're always living in the shadow of Joe Rogan's greatness where Shane Gillis kind of rose above that you know I wouldn't say the same thing about Andrew Schau or somebody else who was kind of still in that shadow uh Burt Kreichner is not that funny. Uh sorry hot take um I agree I'm agree I agree with you on that. He Joe Rogan doesn't sell out you know he's not a a right wing conservative it'd be easy easy for him to make millions of dollars just you know preaching Trump and and doing all those things but he holds to his guns he's holds to authenticity um he's a truly a standalone new in my opinion one of the new like edges of comedy um highly recommend you check out his Sketch stuff I'm sure you've already seen most of his sketch stuff on like TikToks or anything um and I just anytime that I get somebody who will go on a podcast and talk about history for two hours and then make a joke about it I dude I've watched Ken Burns for fun and you know he did say it turns women off and puts them to sleep. So uh that does enough about me. So um thanks again for having me I appreciate you guys taking the time to review it and um thanks for yeah come back yeah definitely all right until next time we out see you